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India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Current government only wants more people to have internet, so that they can spread their toxic religious nationalist propoganda. Also spreading more misinformation. Mob lynchings are going to increase with all the WhatsApp news riling up the Go-Rakshaks (cow defenders). And more.

All the misinformation and lies to help the goverment win another term.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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The reason they don't have 4g now is mostly because there's no 4g service, not because people can't afford 4g enabled phones. I'm pretty sure by now 4g phones are just as cheap as 3g phones.

New phones, yes. But many people don't have new phones. Especially in poorer places. 1000 days if substantially shorter than the lifecycle of phone models. New cheap phones today don't have 5g, you see the timing issue?

How do they access internet right now? Whatever that is, it will continue to be available. Those who want something better will upgrade their phones.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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I wish I had that too.

You have food though right? 3,000 children in India die every day from poor diet related illness. I'm sure they would prioritize food over internet. https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-due-to-hunger-in-I...

How many children die from poor diet related illness in your society? And your point is what exactly?

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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No doubt, though I'm also curious about architecture. Most of these types of deployments tend to go with a GPON variant, with passive optical splitters: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network However sometimes 'Active' (transitional?) Ethernet is used, which may cost more from a fibre perspective, but the gear at the end can then be traditional Ethernet which allows for taking advantage of economies…

It will likely be point to point optical networking (Ethernet/OTN) on these links. Once you get to the last mile, PON (probably GPON for now; XGS-PON is starting to come down in cost now, but is still probably 2x GPON generally). Point to point kit is cheaper till you get to the customer-facing aggregation, at which point per-port cost of PON vs PtP is much more in PON's favour, and PON customer kit is very cheap fro…

> Point to point kit is cheaper till you get to the customer-facing aggregation, at which point per-port cost of PON vs PtP is much more in PON's favour, and PON customer kit is very cheap from benefits of scale.

Is there a cross-over point when one becomes cheaper than the other? Total number of customers, customer per kilometre run, customer/population density, other?

> PON on the other hand isn't good for long range links.

There are certainly 'traditional' Ethernet AOM optics that can reach 40 and even 80 km (before getting into the long-haul stuff from the likes of Ciena), but given that most PONs seem to reach at least 20 km for not-outrageous splitter ratios (1:8 ~ 40km, 1:16 ~ 25-30km, 1:32 ~ 15-20km), how far does one actually need to go for most fibre runs?

A recent video on Utopia Fibre has them using AON, and they claim it ended up generally being cheaper:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e9DNwInTE4

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Telecommunication_Open_In...

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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I would say both are priorities, govt efforts can't be in sequential priority. what about villages that already have access to water, should they wait for other things until all villages catchup ? imagine access to youtube & vast knowledge, may be it will spur the commom folk to take matter into their own hands and improve their lives.

I would say providing clean water + food should always be prioritized over internet access

That's not how government priorities work.

Should we cancel NASA budget because there were homeless people? Should we reduce public library budget because of people are suffering due to police brutality?

Every section of government is different with its own budget and goals, because a nation can move forward on all fronts.

Nobody is saying that providing clean water is not a priority. Provide fast internet is just a new priority on table. it does not necessarily mean reducing priority for other items.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

#116

Current government only wants more people to have internet, so that they can spread their toxic religious nationalist propoganda. Also spreading more misinformation. Mob lynchings are going to increase with all the WhatsApp news riling up the Go-Rakshaks (cow defenders). And more. All the misinformation and lies to help the goverment win another term.

My sister learns 1 new dish from youtube every week. i think she missed the notice on lynching somebody. i will pass on the message. thank you.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Current Prime Minister Modi was in the ad of "Jio" company which was aired in national tv channels after he got elected. That company funds the BJP party to which Modi belong. By giving the money to "Jio", the money is being routed back to the party in the form of donations. By the way in India the party does not have legal obligation to show where the money comes from or how much. The BJP party is just a product of religious group called the RSS which wants the society to be based on strict vedic hindu religion. Vedas advocate the society to be 4 level hierarchy with priest's (Brahmins) at the top of the hierarchy and believe that education must be restricted only to the priest's for the good of the society. Not surprisingly majority of RSS members at the top level are Brahmins. India was a vedic society prior to the british colonization. This is the reason majority of the indians are 1st generation college graduates even though they were rich and owned a lot of land.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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So what facts did you glean from that comment? > Comments like these give proper context to foreigner like me who don't know how inclined the Indian government is to follow through on their promises You do realize that India is a Democracy and that there is no one "Indian Government" but successive Governments that set their own policies right? Just because it was the case some 10 years ago doesn't mean it will conti…

> So what facts did you glean from that comment? That there is not a culture of following through on promises like these. That doesn't mean that they won't this time, but it also means that I shouldn't be surprised if they don't. > You do realize that India is a Democracy and that there is no one "Indian Government" but successive Governments that set their own policies right In systems like India (and my own country…

I get where you are coming from, but the original comment gets old very fast. A government not fulfilling its promises is something very common across most developing countries in most situations. After the first couple of occurrences, it just promotes low effort comments instead of nuanced discussions. Check out places like r/India or other forums online, and see the difference in quality of discussion versus HN (on topics which are native to western countries) to get example of impact of the low-effort comments.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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You have food though right? 3,000 children in India die every day from poor diet related illness. I'm sure they would prioritize food over internet. https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-due-to-hunger-in-I...

How many children die from poor diet related illness in your society? And your point is what exactly?

Probably the point was that it’s hard to use the internet if you’re starving

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Everyone has wifi enabled hardware to use as a client, no one has 5g hardware, so no?

In 1000 days everyone will have 5g service on their phones

Not so soon and definitely not in India.
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