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India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Disclaimer : I live in a village in Rajasthan. People will still the WiFi device and sell it for pennies. They don't spare road light in many parts of cities.

Would 5g service be a better solution?

5g still needs backhaul infrastructure.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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I have backpacked through one of the regions where some of the construction you are talking about is going on. In one of the Himalayan states, one of their ambitious highway projects has caused destruction with little benefit to the local populace and far negative consequences to the terrain and environment. Pursuing development is good but it shouldn't come at the cost of destroying your ecology and environment, spe…

These kinds of comments show the paradox of the modern urban professional. The ones who have reached the top 1-2% in terms of educational achievement and career prospects. They live in cities or remote locations with full amenities - car, electricity and internet, smartphones, laptops. They use apps powered by the global internet and consume from the global supply chain. And they hike in the Himalayas with their DSLR…

Wow, that's a loaded comment that makes a lot of assumptions about me.

I am not against connectivity or improving the life of people there, a lot of these areas are already connected by metalled road. What was happening when I was traveling there was widening of the roads indiscriminately, if you talk to people there or even read some of the articles I have linked, there isn't much benefit that local people are seeing because of this. There are far more important things that would have been beneficial to people living there like education, healthcare and some of them can be improved drastically with something as simple as improving LTE coverage.

All I am saying is, I would have preferred to see the myriad of problems associated with the project addressed, I am not saying do not build, but build sustainably.

About the metrics you think that haven't degraded, I don't have sources ready on all of them but I just looked up forest cover and one of the most green regions is now covered with plantations a lot. [1] Plantation cover != Forest cover.

Lastly, just because I am wearing Patagonia/North Face because of their environmental commitments, doesn't mean I expect everyone else to do the same. There are other paths, which might not be perfect but will be better, it doesn't hurt to raise issues when you see them so you can explore those paths. The choice is not binary.

[1] https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.am...

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Ok, but wouldn’t just providing clean drinking water for example be more critical for most of those families?

I would say both are priorities, govt efforts can't be in sequential priority. what about villages that already have access to water, should they wait for other things until all villages catchup ? imagine access to youtube & vast knowledge, may be it will spur the commom folk to take matter into their own hands and improve their lives.

I would say providing clean water + food should always be prioritized over internet access

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

#95

Ok, but wouldn’t just providing clean drinking water for example be more critical for most of those families?

The government is a huge organization capable of prioritizing multiple workstreams.

Yes, but providing basic food and water would be cheaper than internet access, and also more important for survival...

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

#96

Ok, but wouldn’t just providing clean drinking water for example be more critical for most of those families?

I wish I had that too.

You have food though right? 3,000 children in India die every day from poor diet related illness. I'm sure they would prioritize food over internet.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-die-due-to-hunger-in-I...

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Catering to domestic demand rather than to china's demands https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/china-extends-an...

I am actually surprised that India has a big and competitive enough optical fiber industry that exports to China for China to raise punitive anti-dumping tariffs.

Fibre is relatively low tech compared to Fabs and chip industry. Perhaps it is a function of raw material costs ?

While compared to western standards Chinese labour remains cheap, it is expensive compared to East Asia and India who are poorer than China and have less purchasing power.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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laughs in gigabit fiber for 10 euro/month in Eastern Europe The reason why you're in this situation is that under Helmut Kohl, despite advice from experts to use fiber, the German government wired the whole country with copper instead because the ministry of infrastructure at the time had stocks in the copper business.[1] And also, in present times, German politicians still don't see the value the internet brings to…

> ..under Helmut Kohl, despite advice from experts to use fiber, the German government wired the whole country with copper instead because the ministry of infrastructure at the time had stocks in the copper business. Such abuse of public position ought to be a criminal offence - they profited at the cost of setting the country back a decade (or more!) in terms of modern infrastructure. Ubiquitous, fast, and maybe eve…

if you think this is bad look at Australia handling of their NBN.

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

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Disclaimer : I live in a village in Rajasthan. People will still the WiFi device and sell it for pennies. They don't spare road light in many parts of cities.

Would 5g service be a better solution?

Everyone has wifi enabled hardware to use as a client, no one has 5g hardware, so no?

Re: India announces plan to connect 600k villages with optical fiber in 1000 days

#100

That is very ambitious but i hope this can mean open access education can be delivered to the poorest of poor. Having 2-4 LED TVs with latest educational content directly streamed. The overworked teachers should become guides to the students.

India has dedicated satellites for distance education called EDUSAT.

I tried Googling about programs delivered by Edusat but got no luck.
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