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They may be "equally difficult to navigate" in a grand scheme of things, but they're probably not equally difficult for a particular person. Everyone got their own set of traits and interests that may make adhering to a particular gender role easier than the others.
So that would imply that non autistic people may also feel like their brains don't match their bodies, but since they're better at navigating gender roles, they're more likely to just adapt around the dysphoria instead of transitioning?
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> The thing i worry about is that folks that go through all of the physical and emotional (and financial) stress of transitioning only to find that it doesn’t soothe the pain are likely to perceive a social pressure to keep a lid on it. Nope, "de-transitioners" are very welcome in the trans community, to tell their story, to hang out, to help others. There's absolutely nothing that should force them to not speak out…
I find your broad "nope" troubling. How are you so comfortable speaking for the entirety of several others' experiences? (While problematic) the nature of the gp's claim would be impossible to prove or disprove without mind reading powers. Even if many or most trans-accepting groups make an active effort to support those with regrets...the social pressures for someone to not voice those regrets are blatantly obvious.
Notably, I've heard one such person say something along the lines of "well, no, I'm not cisgender, I transitioned twice so I'm definitely trans." Labels are pretty silly that way.
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Many of us are not tightly attached to all parts of our identities. For some, they might care deeply about their identity as a devout Christian/Muslim, others might not really care. Some might care about their political party affiliation, others might not care. Some might care about their gender deeply, others might not care.
But for you, as gender fluid, it seems the thing you care deeply about is the ability to be free to conform or not conform to gender expectations of any particular sort? If so, isn’t this freedom something that would just be good for anyone?
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#154Hanging out in trans circles (as a non-binary person myself), this seems commonly known within the community. Interesting to see research done here, but I'd be careful about over generalizing (e.g. "All trans people are neurodiverse"). Edit: Also, happy to answer questions about being non-binary (specifically, gender fluid) if folks have good faith questions.
What is the difference between being gender fluid and having some traits & preferences typically associated with the other gender?
So, gender fluid, because my gender is dynamic and shifting. I don't always see myself as femme, or masculine, but rather shifting between and around them.
Re: Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-diverse individuals
#155My mother's family is all autistic engineers. I and two of my cousins transitioned as teenagers, so I've had my own theories about this for years.
You shouldn’t be allowed to use transitioned unless there is literal gene replacement happening.
"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
"Eschew flamebait."
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules, we'd be grateful.
Re: Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-diverse individuals
#156Re: Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-diverse individuals
#157Hanging out in trans circles (as a non-binary person myself), this seems commonly known within the community. Interesting to see research done here, but I'd be careful about over generalizing (e.g. "All trans people are neurodiverse"). Edit: Also, happy to answer questions about being non-binary (specifically, gender fluid) if folks have good faith questions.
Have you heard of Abigail Shrier's book "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? She was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently though I have yet to listen to it. A quick search turned up, not surprisingly, some negative critiques and others that are more positive. If you have heard of it, or read it, I'd love to hear what you think of her position. I appreciate the offer to be part of a dialogue. I think it's import…
So, you're asking an honest question, but it's pretty insensitive and I hope you're curious because this is the truth. Framing that as a curious question makes me wonder if you even read the title of the book -- the title is quite obviously meant to be antagonizing to trans people. So that's not a great start. But here we go.
As for the contents of the book itself, it's little different from much trans-antagonistic pseudoscience and literature -- the main difference being that it's focused on guys rather than gals. It cherry-picks studies and anecdotes to promote harmful stereotypes, and presents trans-ness as a status symbol (it's not, it fucking sucks to be trans in the presence of cisgender people who know that).
To address the "craze", we need only look at history. I'll use mine. In the 1990s, when I was in middle school, I noticed distinct feelings that I now understand to be gender dysphoria. I didn't get it at the time; but sexual orientation was quite the buzz, and I knew I was bi very early on. In the 2010s, our society underwent a phase transition on its view of trans people. I met some other trans people, had some curious conversations, and started to put the pieces together. It took me several years to overcome my transphobic cultural upbringing; and several more to overrule the same of my ex-spouse. Coming out was hard. As with many, I lost friends and family to their prejudice. But even so, it's way easier now than it was in the 90s or even the 00s.
One commonality between trans and autistic people is that we don't always feel welcome around cis / allistic people. Not really knowing why, we form cliques of people who are feeling the same stuff. Many of the trans people I know are, yes, autistic, but also were outcasts as kids. In speaking with other late-transitioning people of my age, I've seen a pattern: others in our friends group have transitioned in the intervening years. Do groups of trans kids gravitate towards one another and have shared gender discoveries? Well duh, of course they do! It's not a "craze", it's a result of teenagers talking to eachother about their feelings, having appropriate language to talk about them, and having even the slimmest feeling of safety in coming out.
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I'd love to hear your theories if you'd be willing to share them.
Trans people in general were largely ignored by research until the 2010s, so there's very little we do know at this point. But as for unresearched hunches... There's lots of jokes in the trans community about how your stereotypical trans girl is on the autism spectrum, with rainbow-colored hair, and into kink, anime, and programming. I think there's more of a willingness to challenge societal expectations of us in th…
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> observed to a greater extent with trans men I wonder if that's a result of autism being under-diagnosed in women (and that under-diagnosis carrying over to trans women).
I would be surprised if that carried over to trans women, i.e. people assigned male at birth, especially if most are diagnosed as children (and thus prior to transitioning, in most cases).
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"Male" and "female" aren't genders.
It would be helpful if you chose to educate by linking to the definitions you are using instead of just chastising for someone not knowing the terminology you are using. The Wikipedia article for gender mentions that the terms sex and gender for biological gender/sex have flip flopped multiple times in the last 30 years. HN is supposed to be a place where people learn, not an anger pit like the rest of the web.