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Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by jmalicki »

grumple wrote: post #511
londons_explore wrote: post #437

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> It is disgusting how Lyft and Uber treat drivers with their A/B testing Society as a whole needs to answer the question "is it moral to roll a dice and offer a worse service to people who get an odd number?" In my view, it is. As far as that person is concerned, they can pretend your company doesn't exist and go to another company (and maybe roll another dice) Some other people would say "all businesses must treat…

I'm curious about whether a/b testing would be considered human subjects research and therefore governed by federal regulations. [1] I suspect that it will be in some cases. Does Uber have IRBs? What about other big tech companies? If you work in a company and see them doing something immoral and possibly illegal, you should speak up or report the behavior. 1. https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/decision-…

Is said a/b test supported or funded by the Department of Health and Human Services? If not, that website clearly indicates that the regulations do not apply.

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by kadoban »

jmwilson wrote: post #866
kadoban wrote: post #834

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Does something prevent incorporating in another location that allows it? Doubt it.

Of course they could do that, but any corporation or LLC that does business in California [1] (surely a Uber driver operating in California would be considered as such) has to pay the fee. Incorporating out of state would just mean a second set of fees and more forms to file. [1] https://www.ftb.ca.gov/file/business/doing-business-in-calif...

Ah, I did not know that. Thanks

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Post by JSavageOne »

reissbaker wrote: post #663
JSavageOne wrote: post #372

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> overtime pay I'm going to guess most of us here on HN aren't getting any overtime pay

That's because we make over $41/hour (the legal threshold for exemption from overtime pay for salaried employees, where the "hours" are determined by average working hours per week). At that rate, we're not exactly suffering.

I don't think that's quite true - so long as one is salaried, one generally doesn't get paid overtime. I had a $70k/yr salaried job once with no overtime pay.

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Post by smsm42 »

liability wrote: post #676
core-questions wrote: post #571

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Amazing that you're downvoted. Are HN posters really so sheltered that they don't know that this is a reality in many major American cities? I'm sure it's in areas they never visit, for totally unspecified reasons, but it's real. There are areas (e.g. in Camden NJ) where the police will tell you to not stop your car for any reason, just get through and get out. Pretending this isn't a reality or that it doesn't have…

I can tell you from personal experience, much of the reporting on chaz/chop has been exaggerated. While any given incident may be accurately reported, the media selects the worst incidents/angles then tries to pass that off as the standard experience. The incidents reported are reality, however that doesn't mean the picture being painted isn't misleading.

Here's one exaggerated incident: https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconsc...

They exaggerate that the mob dragged a man out of his car, and they exaggerate that he was kicked in the head and rendered unconscious. In fact, they exaggerate so much that they had to take him into the ER. To me, it paints a completely misleading picture that in Portland you could be run off the road, dragged out of the car and beaten unconscious. Surely if reported properly, they'd notice there are thousands of people in Portland who weren't beaten senseless that night, so we'd better focus on that.

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Post by smsm42 »

asdff wrote: post #612
core-questions wrote: post #571

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Amazing that you're downvoted. Are HN posters really so sheltered that they don't know that this is a reality in many major American cities? I'm sure it's in areas they never visit, for totally unspecified reasons, but it's real. There are areas (e.g. in Camden NJ) where the police will tell you to not stop your car for any reason, just get through and get out. Pretending this isn't a reality or that it doesn't have…

In what American city will you get dragged out of your car and beaten? Somewhere cartel controlled in south America, maybe, but that would be a pricey uber coming all the way from the U.S.

How about Portland? https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconsc...

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Post by philjohn »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #632
philjohn wrote: post #523

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Does that not ignore the massive disparity in population between states. In California the risk pool would be wide enough that it wouldn't be a problem, in states with < 1 million residents that suddenly becomes very difficult indeed.

Decent question, I'm not qualified to answer. Few, (none?) companies have 1M employees, how do they/insurance do it?

Looking at rates that employers (and then employees pay, especially in copays) the answer would appear to be "expensively".

Look at the NHS in the UK, on average it costs £3k per person per year, outcomes are broadly similar (if not better, especially in areas like post-partum mortality) and as a % of GDP is half as expensive as US healthcare.

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Post by smsm42 »

qeternity wrote: post #496
SrslyJosh wrote: post #427

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> A lot of drivers were sure forced to drive for Uber for lack of other alternatives but that is not Uber's problem. They did not add to the problem. Uber ignored local laws to force their way into the taxi market without having to compete on the same terms as existing businesses. Uber also classified their drivers as contractors to avoid having to pay fair wages and provide benefits. They've been criticized for this…

So Uber driver’s are too dumb to realize they’re being paid unfair wages? Why would anyone work for such a company if they have better alternatives?

The main SF organizer for forcing Uber to classify drivers as employees, Mostafa Maklad, has been driving with Uber for six years. I don't think he's either stupid or unhappy to work for Uber. I think he just wants to be paid more, while doing exactly the same.
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