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At a guess, you don't have kids.
I would gladly send my kids to school. If you really really that paranoid, you can try home school them.
Not legal here. But you avoided answering the question.
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Why is everybody going on about 'the lockdown'. There is exactly one city in the world that had a complete lockdown, that's Wuhan, China. Every other place had at best a partial lockdown with a ton of exemptions and a large amount of leeway for emergencies and other edge cases. As for the suicide factor, yes, there is a chance of increased numbers of suicides, no for now there is no proof that such an increase is act…
Every country called it differently. Partial lockdown is still lockdown
Ok, we'll call it temporary restraint of free movement. Happy now?
Besides that a proportional and timely initial response would have been the very best way of avoiding all that.
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The thing is, a lock down isn't required to stop the virus.
A plan for dealing with the virus is necessary to stop the virus. At least in the US, hard lockdowns have resulted as a last resort because the Federal government has been in denial all along about the severity of the disease, and has failed to provide the kind of support and leadership that would mitigate the need for major lockdowns.
Lockdown maybe necessary if covid has severity of ebola, but with such low death rate ? Its overkill, the damage due to the lockdown is greater than the covid.
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#255Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…
I know 7 people now that have had it. The worst affected one had to stay in bed a day, most of the others just lost taste or felt a bit run down. Children had sniffles. 2 were asymptomatic.
So, now you know 8. Three weeks in bed, recovery another 4, still not 100% but managing. That's been 5 months now.
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Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. All this for what ? for the virus that for vast majority of people if you do get infected you are not going to be sick (asymptompatic) or only have mild symptom and less than 1% death rate ?
>Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. a lockdown doesn't inherently cause this. These things are caused by a badly implemented lockdown, a lockdown that doesn't have measures in place to make sure people don't go bankrupt, measures to make sure people's mental health doesn't deteriorate etc.
Sure, I will totally support such implementation that neither restrict people movement nor have occupancy restriction, at least for this specific virus.
If let say covid has severity of anthrax or ebola then restricting people movement maybe justifiable but not otherwise.
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Every country called it differently. Partial lockdown is still lockdown
Ok, we'll call it temporary restraint of free movement. Happy now? Besides that a proportional and timely initial response would have been the very best way of avoiding all that.
New Zealand had what you might call a timely response. If you test positive now your entire family will be moved to an isolation facility. It is not optional and if you refuse to do so you will be arrested.
> Bloomfield announced all of those who tested positive, as well as close family members who could be at risk, would now be put into self-isolation facilities.
> Bloomfield said they'd given moving confirmed cases into quarantine facilities "a lot of thought". It would help prevent spread between family members and limit the spread in the community from people coming to visit.
> It would "really strengthen our response", he said. [0]
Are you concerned with how lockdown effects children now?
[0] https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/13-new-community-cases-a...
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This is encouraging. People are most worried about the most serious problem.
Are they? Nobody seems to care much about the ordinary flu, though lots still die from it. Hospital acquired infections are a major cause of death, but few worry about that. The most likely causes of death for children are drowning and car accidents, but people worry far more about terrorist incidents. And on it goes.
We know how to deal with the flu. Healthy people do not normally die from it.
COVID-19 is on pace to put a million people in the ground by the end of the year (IIRC) and certainly leave many survivors with serious health problems, and we really still know very little about treating it, and it is more contagious and more deadly, especially to the healthy population.
We are past “it’s just a flu.”
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, we'll call it temporary restraint of free movement. Happy now? Besides that a proportional and timely initial response would have been the very best way of avoiding all that.
New Zealand had what you might call a timely response. If you test positive now your entire family will be moved to an isolation facility. It is not optional and if you refuse to do so you will be arrested. > Bloomfield announced all of those who tested positive, as well as close family members who could be at risk, would now be put into self-isolation facilities. > Bloomfield said they'd given moving confirmed cases…
Of course I'm concerned. But if you think that you'll be able to manage this without some inconvenience then that is a pretty strong delusion.
Think about the alternative: no quarantine, unchecked spread, lots of people dead.
If there is one country that is doing this by the book it is NZ, and they should be commended for it.
That you try to spin that as a negative is quite a feat.
I've been quarantined myself for two weeks, it wasn't as bad as it could have been and we managed. If I had to go through it again then I would, especially now that I know better how to prepare.
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If you care about the economy, the best thing we (the US) can do is follow the lead of other countries that have gotten this under control with evidence-based measures, and push the government to provide support to those in need, so the economy can bounce back quickly, rather than sliding into depression.
New Zealand has just had to quarantine 1/3 of their population, again, because of 4 cases. Until the virus is contained everywhere you will yo-yo between closing everything and opening it. Unless we build a wall around every developing country this will be going on for years. The economy can bounce back from one quarantine, can it bounce back from 12?
After 100 days clean and zero deaths, Vietnam just discovered a few cases from some Chinese who had snuck into the country illegally. Those have now grown into many more cases... and deaths.
NZ is seeing what has just happened in VN only days before and acting on it because they know what will happen if they don't.