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Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Getting the app for 20-30% less money would seem to be desirable for the users.

There is no way companies are passing that 20-30% to the consumers.

Why not? Your argument is that companies can just charge their customers 30% more. They can do that right now just by making their prices 30% higher.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#93

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

Basecamp (dhh at least), were very vocal about Apple's app store shenanigans when Hey was under a similar threat. Not quite as loud as Epic here, but still pretty visible. Maybe dhh influenced Epic.

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The Apple fees must be in the order of a million dollar every couple days for Epic Games. Expect a full-on battle of the same magnitude. It is well worth it.

Estimates place it higher than that [0]: "Broken down further, "Fortnite" is said to have made $1.6 million each day on Apple's devices; if Apple is pulling in its standard cut of 30%, Apple made somewhere in the realm of $136.5 million on "Fortnite" in 2018.". [0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-fortnite-make-...

I mean, 136MM is a million every two days so OP is dead on.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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post #54

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

I'm not a fan of what Apple is doing, and am happy to see it be tested in court. But, I'm not a fan of another multi-million dollar company making such a blatant appeal to emotion, as if Fortnite needs to be "freed", to the common person who has no concept of how nuanced the legalities of this entire thing are. I'll be happy when the theatrics are over with, and we can simply view the outcome of the legal precedent t…

You should take a win when you get one.

Yes it's another Billion dollar company going against Apple, but then, who else can actually go against them and not financially ruin themselves? Smaller Indie studios definitely can't

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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post #85

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

For better or worse, many individuals and companies have realised that the court of public opinion can have as much (or even more) of an effect than the legal system can. Hence instead of settling issues in private, now a lot of organisations are trying to set off a negative PR storm aimed at their opponents that paints them as the victim/underdog. So that's the real goal here. To cause enough of a social media contr…

It really seems that the court of public opinion has risen out of a dissatisfaction with courts of law. Of course, maligning the public opinion of your opponent is not a fair way to deliver justice, and it's a kangaroo court, but I wonder - if our legal system were better, would this phenomenon still arise?

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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Do the ends justify the means? The way I see it Apple will be rightfully scrutinised but only because a giant corporation used propoganda on its users. The lowest common denominator: "they're stopping you playing the game!!!"

They’re only preventing new installs. Most Fortnite fans with iPhones will already have the game installed. It still works fine. I just tried it myself

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Apple fees must be in the order of a million dollar every couple days for Epic Games. Expect a full-on battle of the same magnitude. It is well worth it.

Estimates place it higher than that [0]: "Broken down further, "Fortnite" is said to have made $1.6 million each day on Apple's devices; if Apple is pulling in its standard cut of 30%, Apple made somewhere in the realm of $136.5 million on "Fortnite" in 2018.". [0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-fortnite-make-...

And some here argues that Apple gets paid fairly for what they provide.. I'm sure many could build payment + distribution cheaper than 100 million dollars..

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

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This is going to be a fascinating PR war. Apple was probably caught by surprise with how immediately public Epic was willing to take this. But besides the fun of that wonderful drama unfolding over the next months/years, I actually feel like this could be catastrophic for Apple's image. Epic has an underestimated amount of influence and clout over the Gen Z crowd, and by aggressively rallying teenage gamers against A…

I don't think Epic has that much influence. If I were Apple's PR team, I think I'd just completely ignore them. Treat them as utterly and completely irrelevant.

Personally I think Apple's 30% cut is ridiculous and the fact that there is zero market pressure on that them to price it appropriately should mean something. But at the same time I'm not sure Epic has any legal leg to stand on.

Re: Epic Games releases "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" ad

#100

The whole strategy here feels pretty unprecedented. Usually these kind of lawsuits happen in the background but Epic seems to be going full force with making it a public campaign. > Apple is blocking your ability to get the latest Fortnite updates! All players should have a choice in payment providers and save up to 20%. Apple wants to limit your payment choices! Join the fight against @AppStore on social with #FreeF…

What does a PR response to something to this look like? This happened late in the work day, does that mean that people stay longer, or is it handed off to a PR team in another timezone? Do executives like Tim Cook play a role in the response? I've never really thought about the PR response and would love to know more about what goes into it.

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