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Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by enragedcacti »

fermienrico wrote: post #74
013a wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel's CPUs today are still king when it comes to single-thread workloads, like gaming. The main difference in the past two years has been that AMD has taken the lead in multi-thread performance, and that's scared Intel so much that they've significantly improved multi-thread performance and price across the board. The difference is quite stark, in both directions [1]: AMD destroys Intel in anything that benefits fr…

The whole situation boils down to price. AMD is a better value given the price. If Intel wants, they can just cut and match the prices. Why is there so much callous fanboyism around/against a goddamn CPU supplier like they’re a statement of their lifestyle or such? Its ok to do due diligence before purchasing but relentless obsession over my red team is better than your blue team screams of immaturity. Same with the…

I think a lot of the AMD hype for enthusiasts comes from the fact that without AMD being a meaningful player in the bulldozer years, desktop CPUs became VERY boring. 4-cores and single digit performance increases from Intel at enthusiast prices for approaching a decade. All you have to do is look at a youtube channel like Linus Tech Tips to see that a lot of people find it interesting when there is competition.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

#92

Post by bredren »

kev009 wrote: post #89
013a wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel's CPUs today are still king when it comes to single-thread workloads, like gaming. The main difference in the past two years has been that AMD has taken the lead in multi-thread performance, and that's scared Intel so much that they've significantly improved multi-thread performance and price across the board. The difference is quite stark, in both directions [1]: AMD destroys Intel in anything that benefits fr…

By the time you subtract all the sub-prime performance from their vulnerabilities, this isn't actually true on properly patched operating systems. They took a sub-prime loan on validation, sacrificing security in the process, and the result is chips marketed and sold as something they are not. There really should be government-level lawsuit and restructuring at intel right now.

I looked for but couldn’t find recent benchmarks showing performance degradation on windows and macOS related to mitigating Spectre and Zombieload / Z2.

Can you point at recent information on this?

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by Filligree »

kev009 wrote: post #89
013a wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel's CPUs today are still king when it comes to single-thread workloads, like gaming. The main difference in the past two years has been that AMD has taken the lead in multi-thread performance, and that's scared Intel so much that they've significantly improved multi-thread performance and price across the board. The difference is quite stark, in both directions [1]: AMD destroys Intel in anything that benefits fr…

By the time you subtract all the sub-prime performance from their vulnerabilities, this isn't actually true on properly patched operating systems. They took a sub-prime loan on validation, sacrificing security in the process, and the result is chips marketed and sold as something they are not. There really should be government-level lawsuit and restructuring at intel right now.

It's worse, isn't it?

From what I've heard, Intel likes to run their benchmarks with many (most?) mitigations disabled... but Windows ships with all of them enabled.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

#94

Post by johnsoft »

culturestate wrote: post #62
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #57

Does anyone know where Intel's codenames come from? They're... supremely weird. "Ivy Bridge" and "Skylake" evoke images of fantastical locations—chasms transversal only by green bridges woven of ivy, or serene bodies of water that float among the clouds. "Willow Cove" is similarly suggestive, if somewhat more mundane. But, Tiger Lake? Coffee Lake? SuperFin? Is there a formula here?

> "We have a formal process for what types of things are lakes vs. bays vs. peaks," Tripp told us. However, he didn't elaborate on what that process was. "Different components are named after different geographic areas." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/decoding-intel-code-names

Just about every product since 2015 has been a lake. I'd guess "lake" is the code word for "just overclock last year's chip and call it a day"

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by speeder »

fortran77 wrote: post #30
apotecaryman wrote: post #9

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I never understood this idea that someone feels sleighted for something out of their price range that they perceive should be valued lower for their benefit while complaining that the company is setting up prices for their benefit too. Is it grounded on facts or mostly an emotional response?

I see this all the time, in every area. Bicycle forums are filled with hate for "casual bikers" who buy $5,000 bicycles and all the expensive accessories. My feeling is "good for them! They help the industry and help finance the lower-end models." Some people are just too petty to see the "enthusiast" market also drives the low-end.

I am a heavy gamer, both table and electronic.

In our market at least many companies gunning for the enthusiasts are completely screwing the normal users, not helping them in any way.

1. MTG fans been complaining a for years that some cards have not been reprinted and are literally essential to the game, new players need those cards. The manufacturer reaction was launch a product that does have those cards but in a sky high price point, when players complained they literally replies that the product wasn't for them, it was aimed at the luxury market. How that helps the low end? Not only just the possible buyers, but current players that can't have new play partners because new play partners can't afford to hunt on secondary market for basically mandatory game pieces.

2. Ana Android F2P game I play decided to go full pay to win while denying it, they launched a new piece of armor that makes your character drastically better on ranked matches, and then proceeded to make it cost a currency that the free players can get only half of the price of the piece of armor, to get the rest of the currency needed you need to pay some 200 USD.

When players complained the main dev wrote a extremely rude answer on the forums that also made clear all he cares about is getting money from big spenders, the currency to get the item in question is not available to even the vast majority of paying players, not even subscription players can get it, you need to buy that separate expensive pack. As for why people care about the ranking? Well, the reward for doing well is permanent character buffs, that there is no way to get in other manner, thus reinforcing the pay to win aspect.

3. There is a certain game publisher that found out profits can be made with DLC, now they launch then at breakneck speed AND lock essential features behind them. Whenever they update the game alongside DLC they balance the game in a way that it is not fun without the DLC, making them mandatory. I found out even UI buttons get shut down (example: one patch fixed AI notorious stupidity by letting players ask allies to follow them instead of wandering around in stupid manner. But the button that you click to do so, is part of the DLC. Or in other case sometimes you have a huge list of things to decide, you need to click on each item one by one, or but the DLC that adds a button on the interface to do the same action to the entire list). Another case with same publisher: updates literally removed features of the game, added new mechanics to compensate, but those are DLC.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by leetcrew »

derefr wrote: post #78
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>in building a PC, you're choosing a motherboard socket, and thus potentially making it cheap to upgrade to later-gen CPUs that stay compatible with that socket. I'm curious how common it is for people to upgrade just the CPU or motherboard. I tend to upgrade / replace my personal PC's every 4-6 years. At that pace, it's always seemed worthwhile to upgrade both motherboard and CPU at the same time, because of platfor…

One oft-stated reasoning is that people who currently don't have much money (e.g. college students) can build a PC with a motherboard socket targeted by both low-end and high-end CPUs; and then select, for now, the (cheap) low-end CPU. Then, a few years later, when they're working and have more money, they can replace it with the high-end version. I'm not sure how common this actually is in practice, but it seems log…

it's great if you decide to upgrade your CPU a couple years later and you motherboard is still compatible, but imo this is not a good reason to choose a particular platform in the first place. you never know when the CPU manufacturer is going to drop support for that chipset. even if the new CPU does support the old chipset, you might be sacrificing some new features or leaving some performance on the table. plus if I'm going to buy a high-end cpu, I'd like to pair it with a high quality power delivery also, which you probably aren't going to find in a college student's budget build.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by fermienrico »

enragedcacti wrote: post #91
fermienrico wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole situation boils down to price. AMD is a better value given the price. If Intel wants, they can just cut and match the prices. Why is there so much callous fanboyism around/against a goddamn CPU supplier like they’re a statement of their lifestyle or such? Its ok to do due diligence before purchasing but relentless obsession over my red team is better than your blue team screams of immaturity. Same with the…

I think a lot of the AMD hype for enthusiasts comes from the fact that without AMD being a meaningful player in the bulldozer years, desktop CPUs became VERY boring. 4-cores and single digit performance increases from Intel at enthusiast prices for approaching a decade. All you have to do is look at a youtube channel like Linus Tech Tips to see that a lot of people find it interesting when there is competition.

Encouraging competition can be done without hurling callous statements and consumer entitlement.

As a retail business owner, I find 80% of our consumers sound and reasonable. The 20% - we never want their business. We keep our best to not anger them and most of our energy goes into maintaining the public image of our company.

There are some real asshole customers that do things you never want to hear - stuff that makes me lose hope in humanity.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

#98

Post by mucinoab »

stagger87 wrote: post #54
dahfizz wrote: post #42

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> There are quite a lot of people now that just use a web browser on their desktop or laptop. As opposed to the people who used to use their computer for email and spread sheets? I would argue that the resource needs of a web browser has absolutely been increasing over time. The 4GB of RAM in that old laptop just does not work for the modern web. And considering how many web site now require the client to run tons an…

4GB of RAM on a machine (regardless of OS) is absolutely fine for browsing the "modern web".

Windows alone uses like 2GB, open some tabs and you are already out of ram. I think 8 is the new minimum.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by zozbot234 »

imperialdrive wrote: post #75
stagger87 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4GB of RAM on a machine (regardless of OS) is absolutely fine for browsing the "modern web".

That is the opposite of what I see on a daily basis managing several 100+ SMB Windows based computer networks. I'm curious what your summary is to back up 4GB being absolutely fine.

> Windows

There's your problem!

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by outworlder »

013a wrote: post #68
xyst wrote: post #2

I won't be buying Intel CPUs for years to come. Haven't upgraded since 2016. Years of "incremental" improvements while still advertising $1000+ CPU prices has deterred me for quite some time. Intel fanboys might eat it up though. Given their history of significant delays in the current roadmap, how does this compare to their competition who is quickly advancing on 10nm? Also what is this internal naming schema? > The…

Intel's CPUs today are still king when it comes to single-thread workloads, like gaming. The main difference in the past two years has been that AMD has taken the lead in multi-thread performance, and that's scared Intel so much that they've significantly improved multi-thread performance and price across the board. The difference is quite stark, in both directions [1]: AMD destroys Intel in anything that benefits fr…

> But, Intel wins when gaming; usually by around 5-10%.

10% more CPU performance is going to provide overall gains that are difficult to measure. That's even more true for games, which nowadays are seldom CPU-bound.

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