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Probably pushing it intentionally given the recent antitrust discussions. Worst case for them, they get banned from the store for a bit until they take that option down.
Sadly, it's gonna take a while before actual legislation is enacted. If Fortnite gets banned, they'll stay that way for a long time unless they remove direct payment.
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I can install software from other sources just fine. Doesn't have to be the same software. But why is having the Epic store such a problem?
You seem to be moving the goalposts here. > Epic has no "walled garden". Epic is explicitly a walled garden regarding the games it has paid to be exclusive within that walled gardren (Permanently or temporarily). > The PC is an open platform. An iPhone is not. You are conflating hardware / software here. PC hardware is an open platform. The software is running on it is not necessarily. You could be running Linux or W…
That's not what walled garden means. PC game developers can sell their games any number of ways - if they choose one way instead of others that's up to them. For iOS there's no choice - either you sell through Apple or you don't support iOS. Hence "walled garden".
In short: if you have to pay people to come into your garden, it's not walled. ;)
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> IMO they can keep the 30% but they should just allow apps to offer other payment methods. Would this just result in every app being free, but using (non-apple) IAP to gain access to any content beyond the opening screen?
Other than the non-Apple part, that's how it pretty much works now. Only 3% and 8% of apps in the stores are paid on Android and iOS respectively, and counted by downloads it's probably much lower. IAPs might be over 99% of revenue. If I were Apple, I'd make my payments optional. They're so seamless that as a customer, I'd probably still use them unless I were getting a substantial discount to do otherwise, and somet…
Yes, but all IAPs now go through Apple and they get their 30% cut.
> hey're so seamless that as a customer, I'd probably still use them unless I were getting a substantial discount to do otherwise, and sometimes even then
Well, every app would easily be able to offer you a 25% discount (30% - 5% to account for transaction fees), since they would not be paying the Apple fee.
This puts Apple in a very tough spot. Last week, Tim Cook was questioned in an antitrust hearing re: Apple's anticompetitive practices (along with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai). The spotlight is already pointing right at them, so any move they make here is going to be noticed by lawmakers. If they remove Fortnite from the App Store, Apple will probably be seen as the bad guy. After all, Epic is not…
>If they keep Fortnite on the App Store, they're going to need to make a rule change to allow alternative payment methods within apps. That is already allowed. It's a common misconception.
EDIT: interesting, I just found this tweet ( https://twitter.com/ballmatthew/status/1293903865557979136 ) that mentions other companies like McDonalds and Starbucks are also exempt Indeed this is huge, well it will be huge if the app is still in the store by tomorrow ... I wonder what apple will do? I wonder if apple greenlighted this? If they didn’t get this greenlighted, I wonder how they bypassed the Apples app re…
This puts Apple in a very tough spot. Last week, Tim Cook was questioned in an antitrust hearing re: Apple's anticompetitive practices (along with Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai). The spotlight is already pointing right at them, so any move they make here is going to be noticed by lawmakers. If they remove Fortnite from the App Store, Apple will probably be seen as the bad guy. After all, Epic is not…
I'm scared of that though. Although on one end I would like to buy my kindle books straight from the app and play xcloud games, I'm thinking of the dodgier companies. Right now I have little to worry about when I leave my kid playing a game, all the payment need to go through Apple or at least the offending app will not stay up for too long. I want Apple to be forced to come up with a fairer solution (eg: same api, b…
Nothing stops dodgier companies to ask your kid a credit card number.
If you trust an app and it charges you in a dodgy way, you can claim that charge with your credit company.
On-line transactions work in computers, it is not different in a phone. Phones are just computers nowadays.
A tech company that is your bank, your ID, your messaging system, your location system,... is 1984 level of scary.
My money is on Apple cracking down hard on this. It looks clearly as if Epic remotely activated this direct payment option, thereby bypassing Apple's App Review. Apple will not take kindly to this. Best case scenario for Epic (and Fortnite players): they invite Sweeney in for some hard negotiations. Worst case: Fortnite ends up getting removed from iOS for this.
Pull it is exactly what I would do. Apple gets a cut of the paid apps, but $0 from free apps who show ads. Take away getting a cut from the paid apps then free apps suddenly cost the developers money—no more free apps. Imagine going to Walmart and telling them what you want them to give you all the revenue. Walmart will tell you exactly what they want to pay you, or you can leave. Maybe 30% is too much, but 0% is a t…
There is no reason our phones need to be so locked down today that they only allow apps to be easily installed via the app store.
Instead the app store should be able to stand on it's own and developers should be able to decide if the exposure gained by it is worth the cost.
My money is on Apple cracking down hard on this. It looks clearly as if Epic remotely activated this direct payment option, thereby bypassing Apple's App Review. Apple will not take kindly to this. Best case scenario for Epic (and Fortnite players): they invite Sweeney in for some hard negotiations. Worst case: Fortnite ends up getting removed from iOS for this.
> It looks clearly as if Epic remotely activated this direct payment option, thereby bypassing Apple's App Review. Is that against Apple's store terms? Because that's a common feature of ReactNative based app, you can update them by deploying new JS files without having to pass by a new app store release.
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>games aren't cheaper on the Epic store, in spite of the allegedly smaller cut the store is supposed to take They are literally handing out free games, Total War: Troy, a brand new game, its free today >they're Windows only (and here comes the China reference, they only know about Windows in there) Games will not have first class support for linux for years to come, this is not indicative of the linux platform, simpl…
> Games will not have first class support for linux for years to come, this is not indicative of the linux platform, simply that the market is tiny and developer time is better spent on supporting platforms that are widely used. Before EGS rolled around, Linux momentum on getting games support was amazing. Steam lets you run the vast majority of games on Linux now.
Most developers will not spend time on supporting Linux natively. It's a shame, but that's the economic of it.
> PERMANENT DISCOUNTS That's a bold promise if Apple shuts the practice down. Will need to go back on the promised permanency or take the loss.
Also, if a significant amount of purchase volume comes from iOS users, this could save them money.