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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by nitrogen »

scarface74 wrote: post #232
wolco wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla would go with another partner and/or change their structure to accept donations for the browser. If money wasn't a consideration perhaps ddg become a good partner. That combo could shift as much as 5% of google traffic away from search.

Because another partner would pay to be the default search engine of a browser with declining market share. Would you want to count on donations to fund a company the size of Mozilla? Google pays Apple a reported $8 billion a year to be the default search engine for iOS. It pays Mozilla less than $600 million ( https://www.cnet.com/news/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-m... ). Doesn’t that tell you how little Firefox…

How is $600mil/yr "little"? That's a metric f-ton of money by any standards except "companies that are larger than countries."

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by self_awareness »

doublerabbit wrote: post #171
jernejzen wrote: post #139

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Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

I've been trying to get people to join "element" but it just makes the whole chat sound awkward "Hey, want to join me on element? compared to "hey, want to join me on riot". Element just doesn't have the same ring and sounds less exciting and dull. It's not even listed in search engines, especially DDG, so I then have to give them the URL which adds to the awkwardness. It was a bad move in my opinion. Sure sure, the…

From the perspective of a person that has never used Riot nor Element, and didn't mention any name in any conversation ever, I'd say that the excitement and non-dullness come from your preference, not from the name itself.

Do any of these names have excitement? WhatsApp, WeChat, Jabber, Signal? I think not ;)

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by aryonoco »

Teckla wrote: post #60
signal11 wrote: post #7

Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. I wish you well for the future and hope you find a new gig soon.

Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."

The Servo team, the Dev tools team and the security response team got cut. I hadn't put two and two together but this makes a lot of sense, if they are switching to Chromium, they would not need any of these.

As a gecko tester since the very first day Netscape was open sourced and Mozilla M1 was released, this hurts.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by jodrellblank »

staplers wrote: post #159
gkoberger wrote: post #130

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That's the reason I added an alumni contact! Careers pages often are a lagging indicator of what jobs are available, which is where the value of a good network comes in.

This whole thing reeks of nepotism and this comment reinforces that.

You think the author is all these people's uncle?

> nepotism: Favoritism shown to nephews and other relatives; patronage bestowed in consideration of family relationship and not of merit.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by lacker »

stingraycharles wrote: post #192
owowow wrote: post #186

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Mozilla hires devs all across the world, many in countries where developers are much cheaper than in the USA.

So then where does the 200k - 400k come from? That salary would be outrageous for software devs over here in .nl, let alone for a non-profit.

It's just an estimate for an based on my experience in the industry, but I think it's a reasonable one. I did estimate based on American costs though. For example, an entry-level software engineer at Google in the U.S. makes $188,000 according to https://www.levels.fyi/ . That's the amount of compensation that goes to the employee, though; that doesn't count employer taxes and the additional costs of overhead like office space. So I added a range of up to twice that much to account for overhead, to estimate what an employee costs to the employer.

There are a couple other factors - one extra factor is this is just for entry-level employees, another extra factor is that Mozilla probably doesn't pay quite as well as Google. I am not sure how large those factors are, but it's just an estimate and they work against each other, so I think the range is a reasonable guess. I would be surprised if it's very far off.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by waterhouse »

nitrogen wrote: post #261
scarface74 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because another partner would pay to be the default search engine of a browser with declining market share. Would you want to count on donations to fund a company the size of Mozilla? Google pays Apple a reported $8 billion a year to be the default search engine for iOS. It pays Mozilla less than $600 million ( https://www.cnet.com/news/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-m... ). Doesn’t that tell you how little Firefox…

How is $600mil/yr "little"? That's a metric f-ton of money by any standards except "companies that are larger than countries."

Googling around, a few sources tell me there are about 250 million Firefox users; Mozilla currently seems to say 210 million: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

As for iOS, this source says there were 900 million iPhone users (doesn't include iPads) as of Jan 2019: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/01/30/900-million-iphones... , and this one says 1.5 billion Apple devices (probably includes Macs) as of Q1 2020: https://9to5mac.com/2020/01/28/apple-hits-1-5-billion-active...

I'll arbitrarily guess 1.2 billion iOS users (the rest being Macs). In that case, there are maybe 6x as many iOS users as Firefox users. Therefore, if Google paid the same per Firefox user as they did per iOS user, they would have paid $1.3 billion for Firefox users. That's a difference of about 2x per user from what they actually paid.

iOS users have demonstrably paid for (or been gifted by people who paid for) premium electronic devices, which I would expect makes them more valuable advertising targets. I'm mildly surprised that the difference isn't larger, but I don't have a good feel for advertising expenditures.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by Igelau »

jodrellblank wrote: post #265
staplers wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole thing reeks of nepotism and this comment reinforces that.

You think the author is all these people's uncle? > nepotism: Favoritism shown to nephews and other relatives; patronage bestowed in consideration of family relationship and not of merit.

Ah, I think I can explain. In English it's not uncommon to use a word like "nepotism" in a not-quite-literal sense. Native speakers will understand it just fine, but if you're in the position where you have to go look up the word, then it might be confusing. To get the colloquial sense of it, extend the word "family" to include friends, their relatives, and people who went to the same university but in different years.
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