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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by nerdponx »

jernejzen wrote: post #139
Arathorn wrote: post #76

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…

Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

Not just the UX. It's dog slow. I've never had a good experience using it, no matter how much I want to like it.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by ognarb »

Arathorn wrote: post #166
jernejzen wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)

The UI is finally getting usable. Thanks a lot of all the peoples involved in making it better. I switched a few weeks ago most of my communication from Telegram to Matrix and I hope I will be able to move my family to Element by the end of the year.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by dbcurtis »

baddash wrote: post #53

This reminds me of a scenario described by Alfie Kohn in "No Contest: The Case Against Competition". If I recall correctly, he describes how people looking for jobs actually are more successful if they work for mutual success within the context of a network like this one. It makes me curious: are there other job-searching networks that exist where people can work for each others' benefit? Is there a general one for a…

> Is there a general one for any job-seeker?

Use your network. Make sure your friends know you are looking. Especially friends that are also looking. I've had conversations like this with old friends: "Hey, I'm looking for something new. Do you guys need an EE?" them: "No, sorry. Sure could use an ME, though, do you know anyone?" Give intros for friends, and they will give intros for you.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by lmm »

behnamoh wrote: post #52
causality0 wrote: post #9

It's very weird that Mozilla is laying off 25% of its workforce while at the same time spending oodles of cash on its Fix The Internet incubator. I'm not a business major; maybe this is normal.

As a company, you know you're doing something wrong when websites such as this pop up on HN. I hope Mozilla is able to turn back to its origins.

What origins? Was Mozilla ever a focused, well-run organisation?

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by scarface74 »

tambourine_man wrote: post #219
scarface74 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the Twitter responses, I don’t know why people assume that every single Mozilla employee would put “being part of the open web and contributing to open source” above people’s crazy obsession with having a job and being able to afford food and shelter.

Modern web browsers are among the most complex piece of software out there. If you’re qualified to write that kind of code, basic needs are surely well taken care of and are the least of your concerns. To put it simply, these people will not have a hard time finding high paying jobs. And since they are able to choose, “being part of the open web” makes a lot of sense.

Which company that cares about the “open web” pays well - instead of just paying lip service to openness [1].

Have you checked Mozilla’s salary? https://www.levels.fyi/company/Mozilla/salaries/Software-Eng...

I was making almost that much pre-Covid as a regular old SAAS CRUD developer in the south East US. It was comfortable but far from not needing to work for a few months and hold out because I was concerned about “open source values”.

I jumped at the chance to work remotely at BigTech three months ago. I’m sure many of them would too.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/arubin/status/27808662429?locale=...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by wolco »

scarface74 wrote: post #185
Aeolun wrote: post #165

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I guess everyone expects their job to provide food and shelter, so it would be a bit hard to advertise with that as if it were a positive.

Which has done more to prevent Chrome’s complete dominance - Apple or Firefox? Besides, WebKit is open source. Google could kill Firefox by just not renewing its search contract.

Mozilla would go with another partner and/or change their structure to accept donations for the browser.

If money wasn't a consideration perhaps ddg become a good partner. That combo could shift as much as 5% of google traffic away from search.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by wolco »

chrisseaton wrote: post #209
felbane wrote: post #208

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Companies pay in stock because it's not an immediate cash cost like salary, and because the value is tied to the success of the company which encourages employees to drive progress/profit for the business.

Right... so is that what Mozilla do or not? Do they actually pay the same as their (literally over the road) competitors but entirely in cash?

No they pay less but slightly (20% or less) higher base with 20-40% bonus opportunity.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by raverbashing »

xwdv wrote: post #11
jszymborski wrote: post #2

Given how different their missions are, I'm surprised to see Facebook on this list.

A job is a job.

Agree

I am critical of some fb practices, but if it was a choice between having a job and not having one, the decision is not hard

It's a big company, with multiple areas. Find a less contentious area and go for that

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by wolco »

stingraycharles wrote: post #207
desert_boi wrote: post #199

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I'm an American who worked in Germany. I interviewed in the the Netherlands, but was horrified by how low pay was in the industry.

I meant to show that more as a benchmark. The claim was that Mozilla hires employees in low-cost countries. I agree that the pay in The Netherlands is pretty bad for software devs compared to other countries with similar wealth (UK, Germany, US, etc), but I know that it’s much worse in e.g. Eastern European countries, which I also expect Mozilla to hire from.

Why hire in eastern europe only? Mozilla hires the best from around the world.
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