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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by scarface74 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #187
jopsen wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, while Mozilla does pay well, you can usually get a little more at a larger tech company. (Speaking from personal experience). That said, is always a mix, and a balancing act. And a matter of finding something fun to work on :)

I actually don't get how it works working at a non-profit. Like everyone else I know working in tech, the vast majority of my compensation is in stock. If your company doesn't have stock... what do they do? I guess they don't pay you 4x the base rate to compensation?

Why not? It’s all just compensation.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by gkoberger »

aetherspawn wrote: post #200
gkoberger wrote: post #77

Hey all, I built this last night as a resource for connecting Mozilla Alumni during this rough time. Mozilla laid off some truly amazing people this past year.... many of whom I worked with 10 years ago when I was there. As for why there's a red panda in the boat... despite the logo distinctly picturing a fox on fire, a "firefox" is actually the name for a red panda!

The animated boat is immensely cute. I have a lot of respect that you cooked this up in one night, it humbles me. Props to even come up with the idea.

Between us, 80% of the reason I started this was a cute little red panda in a boat seemed fun to draw!

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by chrisseaton »

scarface74 wrote: post #201
chrisseaton wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don't get how it works working at a non-profit. Like everyone else I know working in tech, the vast majority of my compensation is in stock. If your company doesn't have stock... what do they do? I guess they don't pay you 4x the base rate to compensation?

Why not? It’s all just compensation.

I don’t know why not. That’s what I’m asking. Is that what they do? If Google pay you $200k plus $500k stock do Mozilla pay you $700k cash instead. Maybe they do. Just seems doubtful somehow... seems like there must be a reason Google prefer to put it in stock.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

Arathorn wrote: post #166
jernejzen wrote: post #139

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Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)

The UI is constantly getting better and its way better than where it was a few years ago. Its at the point where I find its usable but not as nice as things like telegram.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by rvz »

doublerabbit wrote: post #171
jernejzen wrote: post #139

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Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

I've been trying to get people to join "element" but it just makes the whole chat sound awkward "Hey, want to join me on element? compared to "hey, want to join me on riot". Element just doesn't have the same ring and sounds less exciting and dull. It's not even listed in search engines, especially DDG, so I then have to give them the URL which adds to the awkwardness. It was a bad move in my opinion. Sure sure, the…

Every time 'Element' (The Matrix chat app) gets a mention, it resorts into questioning the name or a disambiguation.

The technology, product and pricing with the deals they are making with multiple governments and businesses is an excellent source of revenue and is very competitive at striking those deals. However the genericness of the name will be a problem with non-technical users and will always be an issue with Element which is a problem the parent has highlighted.

The SEO on the name is terrible and doesn't come up on Google, Bing or DDG. The fustrating part? They were so close on deciding to rebrand everything and have ruined it on the name (for now).

It's not too late though. I guess they will have rename Element again in order to expand into becoming a true WhatsApp alternative mindshare-wise. Right now the name is quite frankly unappealing, but everything else is the gold standard.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by sciurus »

chrisseaton wrote: post #187
jopsen wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, while Mozilla does pay well, you can usually get a little more at a larger tech company. (Speaking from personal experience). That said, is always a mix, and a balancing act. And a matter of finding something fun to work on :)

I actually don't get how it works working at a non-profit. Like everyone else I know working in tech, the vast majority of my compensation is in stock. If your company doesn't have stock... what do they do? I guess they don't pay you 4x the base rate to compensation?

First of all, you probably will get less total comp at Mozilla than you could elsewhere. You'll still be paid well compared to many developers working outside SF/NYC/etc, though.

Second, instead of stock you'll get a higher potential bonus. The bonus percentage increases based on your level.

Third, benefits are generous. Being able to work remotely was a particularly unique and valuable one for a long time.

Fourth, the class and scale of the problems Mozilla is solving are interesting and challenging, which is a motivation for some employees.

Fifth, the mission and the commitment to open source are a motivation to many employees as well.

(These are just my personal observations as a current employee)

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by stingraycharles »

desert_boi wrote: post #199
stingraycharles wrote: post #192

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So then where does the 200k - 400k come from? That salary would be outrageous for software devs over here in .nl, let alone for a non-profit.

I'm an American who worked in Germany. I interviewed in the the Netherlands, but was horrified by how low pay was in the industry.

I meant to show that more as a benchmark. The claim was that Mozilla hires employees in low-cost countries.

I agree that the pay in The Netherlands is pretty bad for software devs compared to other countries with similar wealth (UK, Germany, US, etc), but I know that it’s much worse in e.g. Eastern European countries, which I also expect Mozilla to hire from.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by felbane »

chrisseaton wrote: post #203
scarface74 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? It’s all just compensation.

I don’t know why not. That’s what I’m asking. Is that what they do? If Google pay you $200k plus $500k stock do Mozilla pay you $700k cash instead. Maybe they do. Just seems doubtful somehow... seems like there must be a reason Google prefer to put it in stock.

Companies pay in stock because it's not an immediate cash cost like salary, and because the value is tied to the success of the company which encourages employees to drive progress/profit for the business.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by chrisseaton »

felbane wrote: post #208
chrisseaton wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know why not. That’s what I’m asking. Is that what they do? If Google pay you $200k plus $500k stock do Mozilla pay you $700k cash instead. Maybe they do. Just seems doubtful somehow... seems like there must be a reason Google prefer to put it in stock.

Companies pay in stock because it's not an immediate cash cost like salary, and because the value is tied to the success of the company which encourages employees to drive progress/profit for the business.

Right... so is that what Mozilla do or not? Do they actually pay the same as their (literally over the road) competitors but entirely in cash?

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by riffic »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #198
riffic wrote: post #177

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I'm not a lawyer, so I can't, won't, and don't need to answer that. However, people have had their pet projects shut down for way less obvious things than this.

Fine, let me reword it as a non-question. Anyone can make a page with guidelines. If I say someone "photoshopped" an image then I'm violating Adobe guidelines. If "subject to" means I'm acting inside that scope, then I'm subject to them. But if "subject to" means they can do anything about it, then I'm not subject to them. The way you're talking about the policy isn't making it clear which meaning you intend, but it'…

Civil trademark law effectively means everyone is "subject to" their terms.

They'll send a nasty-gram to enforce their rights as the trademark holder, and the potential resolution could be an ICANN UDRP complaint. Again, I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, I could be wholly incorrect here.

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