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Veteran submariner on how sonar crews tirelessly hunt enemies they can't see

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Re: Veteran submariner on how sonar crews tirelessly hunt enemies they can't see

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This[0] youtube channel is quite good at explaining how subs work [0] https://www.youtube.com/c/JiveTurkeyCrew

I came to post Jive Turkeys YouTube channel. The highlight are his episodes where he takes an underwater recording, uses some Adobe audio program, and extracts all sorts of interesting detail about what we’re hearing. When you see how much he exploits from a generic public tool, makes you wonder how much more comes from super advanced, specialized tools the navy has.

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I've heard the sonar ping from a submarine is so powerful that it will kill you if your a diver near the sonar dome.

Oil and Gas exploration in the sea routinely uses extremely loud sounds, because explosive geosensing. Its screwing up cetacean migration and mating. It travels miles and miles.

I can attest to this being much louder than any active sonar in the water.

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Articles like this leave a bad taste in my mouth. They venerate the subject and participants involved and leave out the vast amount of detrimental effects they cause. Whales, other marine mammals, and other wildlife are affected by these systems, and they are never considered. The Navy is currently still trying to increase its weapons testing off the coast of the Pacific Northwest, bringing further harm to the alread…

These articles leave a bad taste in my mouth because they give far more credit to the sonar shack than they deserve, with the implications that they're motivated and nobody is asleep at their console.

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Somewhat related. I went to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) in Portland last fall and did a tour of their submarine, the USS Blueback. Our tour guide was a retired Cold War-era submariner and he was fantastic . He gave us tons and tons of details about what life and working on an active sub was actually like. It felt like being there, and you could tell he delighted in being able to share his past wi…

I've been meaning to check it out, it's like right there too.

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Obviously, being a skilled sonarman would seem require a good physical sense of hearing (frequency range, etc.), but as as the article mentions, the ability to recognize patterns is also important. Have there been any studies or analyses to see if there's also a correlation between skill at, say, music (relative pitch, etc.) or language (detecting subtle differences in accents, etc.) and sonar skill?

"Over selectivity" is considered a handicap (to the point of disability) by some musicians; when they play two different tone sets and say "thats the same note"... if you can't hear it that way but hear 440hz and 850hz or whatever, it is difficult to communicate.

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I'm not normally one to promote Hollywood but the film Greyhound (2020) with Tom Hanks does an _excellent_ portrayal of this technology (albeit slightly more primitive) in fighting German U-Boats in WW2. Well worth a watch if this interests you.

There's actually a former US Navy Sonarman who has a youtube channel called Sub Brief and it's amazing. He left the service in 90s (IIRC) but he shares all kinds of interesting knowledge on how torpedos and mines work, all the different kinds of accidents and mishaps that happen - he even analyzes different disasters like the Kursk and how they likely happened. I highly recommend it if you're into subs.

https://www.youtube.com/c/JiveTurkeyCrew/featured

Re: Veteran submariner on how sonar crews tirelessly hunt enemies they can't see

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Oh man, I worked on the software for these systems for 6 years :)

specifically the ones from this image https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F15972209...

During the holidays we'd pump Christmas music through the sensors. We could do this since that's what the raw data is anyway -- sound. Made for interesting sonar displays as well as background music.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The book by C.S. Forester that the movie is based on is even more realistic, though the movie is pretty good. To really dig into it, Samuel Eliot Morison's magisterial History of Naval Operations in World War II does a good job talking through the development of both the technology and organization of naval operations. Not all communication was by morse code. We did use ship to ship voice radio, but it was a tradeoff…

To really dig into it, Samuel Eliot Morison's magisterial History of Naval Operations in World War II does a good job talking through the development of both the technology and organization of naval operations. Man, that looks like a hard series of books to actually get a hold of. Either spending multiple hundreds of dollars for a used set, or struggle to find individual copies for $15+ each (a quick google search se…

Many libraries have it. I remember spending many hours in the 940.54 section of my local public library thumbing through volumes when I was a kid.

Re: Veteran submariner on how sonar crews tirelessly hunt enemies they can't see

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I'm not normally one to promote Hollywood but the film Greyhound (2020) with Tom Hanks does an _excellent_ portrayal of this technology (albeit slightly more primitive) in fighting German U-Boats in WW2. Well worth a watch if this interests you.

I personally haven't seen Greyhound, but if you found this article interesting, the 2019 French film Le Chant du Loup is entirely about sonar crews on modern submarines. It's definitely a fun movie that seems (to an uninitiated) pretty technically accurate. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7458762/

The French trailer looks good. It looks like the film has been dubbed in English. Thank you for the suggestion!
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