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Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by grumple »

londons_explore wrote: post #437
msoad wrote: post #416

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I used to work at Lyft. It is disgusting how Lyft and Uber treat drivers with their A/B testing etc. Those PMs have no sympathy for drivers. A driver can end up in an experiment group that totally screws his income. WRT to drivers not going to neighborhood I have a solution for you: let passengers offer higher pricers. This is not a new idea BTW

> It is disgusting how Lyft and Uber treat drivers with their A/B testing Society as a whole needs to answer the question "is it moral to roll a dice and offer a worse service to people who get an odd number?" In my view, it is. As far as that person is concerned, they can pretend your company doesn't exist and go to another company (and maybe roll another dice) Some other people would say "all businesses must treat…

I'm curious about whether a/b testing would be considered human subjects research and therefore governed by federal regulations. [1]

I suspect that it will be in some cases. Does Uber have IRBs? What about other big tech companies?

If you work in a company and see them doing something immoral and possibly illegal, you should speak up or report the behavior.

1. https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/decision-cha...

Re: Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California

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Post by ramshorns »

macspoofing wrote: post #396
ramshorns wrote: post #376

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Haven't they been misclassifying employees the whole time?

No they haven't. That's the point. This 'misclassification' only came in via this new law.

A court ruling isn't a new law, it's an interpretation of an existing one. But okay, I hadn't heard about AB5 which is from last year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(...

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Post by ardy42 »

twblalock wrote: post #335
Loughla wrote: post #227

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That's not what the OP said, though. You can't just carry an argument to its complete extreme - that's not how it works. OP said that THIS law wasn't too much, not that over-regulation doesn't exist. Please reply to the opinion that this law isn't too much. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

> You can't just carry an argument to its complete extreme - that's not how it works. Reductio ad absurdam is a legitimate way to respond to an argument, if the argument is susceptible to it. "It's not a bad law - if Uber can't operate in compliance with it, it has a bad business model." is an argument that could be used to defend any law. It defends the concept of law itself, rather than the specific law we are disc…

> Reductio ad absurdam [sic] is a legitimate way to respond to an argument, if the argument is susceptible to it.

Reductio ad absurdum does not mean "exaggerate to absurdity," which is what the GGP actually did:

>>>> It's not a bad law - if Uber can't operate in compliance with it, it has a bad business model.

>>> Really, is there no such thing as over-regulation, in your mind? No red tape too sticky? No hoop too high to jump through?

If you want to label this kind of argument, the correct term is straw man. It doesn't address what vkou said, but rather sets up an exaggeration that is easier to attack and dismiss. Loughla was entirely correct in his criticism.

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Post by valuearb »

kirykl wrote: post #261
iooi wrote: post #250

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How is removing upfront pricing friendly to customers? It's horrible UX.

getting charged exactly for what you use is great

That’s how taxis stole from customers for decades, taking the long way there.

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Post by elicash »

slipheen wrote: post #494

Them shutting down is a perfectly acceptable outcome. California has essentially told them "You're doing an illegal thing". They're response is essentially "Oh yeah? Well then, we'll stop doing the illegal thing!" Thank you? That's what you were asked to do in the first place? If they aren't interested in operating legally, then pivot or disband the company.

Reminds me of folks "boycotting" certain stores for requiring masks.

Great, thank you for following the policy.

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Post by valuearb »

slipheen wrote: post #494

Them shutting down is a perfectly acceptable outcome. California has essentially told them "You're doing an illegal thing". They're response is essentially "Oh yeah? Well then, we'll stop doing the illegal thing!" Thank you? That's what you were asked to do in the first place? If they aren't interested in operating legally, then pivot or disband the company.

Yes, a terrible solution for drivers and riders both. Back to the taxi monopolies.

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Post by Tiktaalik »

ghaff wrote: post #43

Maybe I'm cynical but "temporarily shut down" sounds like a formula to: - Inconvenience a certain class of urbanites who have grown accustomed to being driven around in the hopes that they - Complain loudly to their representatives and other governmental officials in the hope that - The state will reverse this judgement

Pretty much yeah. They're trying to extort the government.

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Post by Keyframe »

novok wrote: post #467
deminature wrote: post #423

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AB5 imposes an ABC test on businesses after the precedent set by Dynamex [1]. The specific point of contention the judge has is the B of the ABC - that is whether drivers 'perform work that is outside the usual course of the hiring entity’s business'. Uber argues it is a technology company first, and drives/delivers second, whereas the judge argues the opposite. Convincing arguments can be made for both sides. The mo…

So if Adorama sells on amazon.com, does adorama the corporation become an employee of amazon? If the separation on that mindfuck is 'register a corp / LLC', then what prevents drivers making an LLC to drive for uber?

That’s exactly how they operate in, for example, Croatia. Every driver owns an LLC.

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Post by raducu »

novok wrote: post #471
PunchTornado wrote: post #445

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A ride is more like a task. I've been a contractor and I couldn't refuse jira tasks. You've signed a contract with the company, you should do all the jira tasks they throw at you.

Many people argue that those kinds of contractors are employees. Often your an employee of the contracting firm AFAIK too, so you have to follow the implicit orders of the contracting firm.

I am a "contractor", but yeah, if you only work for one company for X months, you should be an employee.

If all your money comes via a single company, even if you phisically work at a different place each day, you should be an employee of that company.

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Post by klipt »

valuearb wrote: post #499
novok wrote: post #465

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Or you could just extend the law to the ride sharing services...

That’s a horrible law. What if it’s a female driver and a sketchy rider? Or worse, her abusive ex?

If you let drivers decide whom to pick up, you end up with situations like black men never being picked up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/postever...

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