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Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by qubex »

viraptor wrote: post #70
nix23 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One really dangerous thing about it is that once you send something it just won't disappear. That thing is called Internet..Information never goes away, not even in the real world.

It's not that black and white. Some communicators for example delete messages after a specified time and don't archive by default. It's not perfect, and it's not supposed to be. But it still raises the bar a bit - if your peer is not compromised, you can at least hope the history goes away. Same could be done with "permanent" message by rotating shared encryption keys and discarding old ones for example, so you can b…

Isn’t deleting expired encryption keys how Snapchats are ‘disappeared’?

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #107
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

>It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. You just said how to evade the pressure.

I cant make sence of your post. Could you elaborate?

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by Klaster_1 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

>Secondly, we need a crowdfunder to support people who've suffered grevious bodily harm at the hands of this regime.

What about this one? https://www.facebook.com/donate/1123543824684874/ https://www.paypal.com/pools/c/8rjj4ZxCNs

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by blablabla123 »

Obviously there is a lot of P2P technology out there, for instance Freenet, Bittorrent, Bitcoin and GPG as well as solutions for the lower network layers like HAM radio based communication. Maybe everybody should start using it also for normal matters because that's what these technologies have actually been invented for and not just for politically controversial or actually illegal things. As a nice side-effect it's kind of fun to dive into new technologies and new things can be built that are easier to use, like Signal or Telegram

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

No offense but I think this is wrong. We’re trained by society and upbringing to think that only “appeals to management” can effect change- and that “doing it yourself” is amateurish.

There is some truth to this- but the world is entirely run by people who believe they can personally effect change through their actions, everyone else be damned.

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by jmnicolas »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #110
jmnicolas wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the free world Ah the famous free world where our social media posts are heavily censored, where lock-down was / is mandatory for a lot of us, and where protesting can cost you an eye (at least 20 people lost an eye last year in France's Gillets Jaunes protests). Yes we still have it better than the Belorussians but free our world is certainly not.

Would you be content with calling it 'somewhat democratic world'?

Depends what you mean by democratic. If you mean people can vote, then yes. But if it means ruled by the people then I only see elites at the top.

I'm disillusioned with the western narrative about freedom. We can and should do much better than the oligarchies we actually live in.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the rest of the world has it better than us, but we're certainly not the paradise we pretend to be.

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by blimey74 »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #116
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

No offense but I think this is wrong. We’re trained by society and upbringing to think that only “appeals to management” can effect change- and that “doing it yourself” is amateurish. There is some truth to this- but the world is entirely run by people who believe they can personally effect change through their actions, everyone else be damned.

Would you not agree that government ministers who can impose economic sanctions on the Lukashenko regime have more power than regular voters since they sit at the top of the power hierarchy?

Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by [deleted] »

jmnicolas wrote: post #109
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

> the free world Ah the famous free world where our social media posts are heavily censored, where lock-down was / is mandatory for a lot of us, and where protesting can cost you an eye (at least 20 people lost an eye last year in France's Gillets Jaunes protests). Yes we still have it better than the Belorussians but free our world is certainly not.

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Re: Ask HN: How Belarus can keep connected despite internet blackout?

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Post by scroogeydop »

jmnicolas wrote: post #109
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #103

This duscussion is cute, but but situation in belarus is deteriorating and people are being beaten and tortured in jail. Open this with google translate yo get an idea: https://news.tut.by/society/696375.html I would say that if you want to help, first reach out to your representative / government and put pressure on them to put pressure on belarus. It's a small country that depends on trade with the free world. Seco…

> the free world Ah the famous free world where our social media posts are heavily censored, where lock-down was / is mandatory for a lot of us, and where protesting can cost you an eye (at least 20 people lost an eye last year in France's Gillets Jaunes protests). Yes we still have it better than the Belorussians but free our world is certainly not.

Oh no you are so persecuted. I am so sorry for you that you can’t post racism and gore on Facebook.
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