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Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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What about car insurance? Is it ok to charge more to insure teenage drivers?

I'd say yes in principle, because the cost of providing insurance is mostly the cost of risk which objectively and significantly correlates with age. Same for health insurance for example. Taking more profit off younger drivers would still be wrong though imo. If the underlying cost of the service is legitimately and significantly affected by age, sure, charge accordingly. Tinder's case seems different. The examples…

I disagree that it costs Tinder the same amount for all users, regardless of age.

Consider their COGS to be user acquisition costs. Serve too many unattractive people and those costs go up as people leave the platform.

With the amount of data they have, I'm sure you could reliably estimate the cost of any given profiles being shown to any other given profile.

This could be used to determine who profiles are shown to, and how often. One implication is that attractive but dead accounts will be shown more often to unattractive but highly active accounts. Another is that unattractive but highly active accounts must be charged more to maintain the same margins.

I am equivocating attractiveness with age here, but presumably there would be too much public outcry if they charged by attractiveness alone, so they my guess is they use age as a proxy.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Adjusting prices by demographic is so common in many industries. Charging less for children, families and the elderly is the same thing. Charging less for women in clubs. Same with booking hotels and flights, based on browsing history, IP address, cookies and the extrapolated demographic. Even a repair contractor adjusts his prices up for someone who lives in a mansion with expensive cars in the driveway, and down fo…

> "Nowhere on Tinder's website, privacy policy, or in its terms and conditions does the company say that it will charge you a different price based on your personal data," Choice's Erin Turner said. This is the key bit here. You go in expecting a level-ish playing field (it's not really level, obviously, but for other reasons.) Turns out that to even get access to the same service as young people, you have to pay 5 t…

> However, it shouldn't come at the expense of other users.

This seems extremely naive.

What is the difference between these two hypothetical grocery stores:

At Pete's, apples cost $3 per kilo, but if you're under 25 and can prove it, pete will give you a $1 discount.

At Jane's, apples cost $2 per kilo, but if you look over 25, jane will stick you with a $1 'ugly old fart' surcharge.

And yet you seem to be arguing that jane's store is over the line, but pete's is a-okay.

That seems rather silly. So all Tinder has to do is adjust _the wording_ used in their tiered pricing model and they're in the clear?

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about car insurance? Is it ok to charge more to insure teenage drivers?

Is it ok to charge people more based on postcode? IE charge poorer people more because they live in areas with higher crime. I think no. Everyone should shoulder the costs.

And yet when it comes to insurance (car or otherwise), in my country at least the area you live in changes the cost of insurance; some areas have a higher rate of theft, some brands are more likely to be stolen, and some demographics are more likely to end up in an accident (due to inexperience or recklessness).

It's a difficult one; objectively speaking, cost is a factor of risk, and risk is what insurance is for. But at the same time, it's discrimination based on age - not ALL people who just got their license are reckless.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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To anyone that knows anything about tinder having age hidden implies that you have premium implies that you are desperate. Only a fool would use the hide age option.

Haha I haven't considered that. Damn, the economics & related behaviours (signalling, honest signals, supply & demand etc.) of dating are brutal ! I'm fortunate I'm off the market (currently).

Dating apps, specifically; honestly, personally I can't be fucked to play that stupid game. I'll leave that to the extroverts.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Adjusting prices by demographic is so common in many industries. Charging less for children, families and the elderly is the same thing. Charging less for women in clubs. Same with booking hotels and flights, based on browsing history, IP address, cookies and the extrapolated demographic. Even a repair contractor adjusts his prices up for someone who lives in a mansion with expensive cars in the driveway, and down fo…

> Adjusting prices by demographic is so common in many industries. And often illegal. Discrimination based on sex/gender or age is (usually) prohibited in Europe, for example, unless there are very compelling grounds to do so.

> Discrimination based on sex/gender or age is (usually) prohibited in Europe

From museums to bus fares, europe is littered with discounts for 65+ and So is this a case where government run orgs get to price discriminate but business can't, or where the laws make explicit exceptions for gigantic subsets of the economy (I'd call transportation a pretty big sector), or... what? Your claim that price discriminating based on age is illegal in the EU is hard to believe without some proof.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Dating apps are probably one of the best examples of conflict of interest: Your purpose is to help people stop using your service! When money comes into play, you obviously don't want your users to leave. Honestly, at this point, who is to say that the good matches are not paid employees acting as real users, or that "ghosting" (ending matches or blocking messages) isn't forced by the service, to induce an addiction?…

Plenty of dating sites have been proven to have fake profiles, or being rife with bots trying to sell premium chat- or cam services and scams.

Example from a quick search: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2019/09/ftc-s...

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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One more reason not to use online dating platforms.

Or create better ones.

Great in theory, in practice you'll land in a hugely competitive market and you'll be struggling to find enough people to sign up.

Actually you'll likely find plenty of men, but women - actual, genuinely interested women, not bots / scam accounts - is a lot more difficult.

Personally, I think one should create social communities and have things develop from there, not dating sites where the only reason to go there is to find a match.

Source: met my girlfriend via gaming forums. I mean sure it took over ten years between first seeing each others' usernames on there and her moving in, but still.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Not just straight men. Gay men too. I complained to Apple about this and they didn’t care. On iOS at least you can get around this. Create a profile aged 18 and purchase a subscription. Now sign out and create your real profile and use the “restore purchases” option.

I never used Tinder myself but based on what I’ve come across on Reddit, if your profile is “premium” you can just hide your age? I guess that could mess up your target matches but you can presumably still set your own age range filter.

Your age is hidden from view but you are still subject to other people’s filters

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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I used to work for the third largest online dating company in the world, and we had a tedious 150 questions quiz even before user were allowed to login in the app. And guess what: this test was only used to define a pricing bucket for the user depending on their past dating experience, how desperate they are, location, device os and other factors. There were some psychology related questions and a decision tree to dig deeper in one's soul.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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There is no right/wrong here, Tinder is a business, not a public square or a public service, you choose willingly to use their service so they can charge whatever they want, nobody is forcing you to use it. Just like in a night club or country club, the house is free to set whichever memebership rules it wants, if you don't like them you are free to go somewhere else. Unlike the jobs market, the dating market and its…

If it was employment, would you hold them to the same standard? They too are businesses after all; by your logic, they get to pay you more or less depending on factors like gender, age, etc. You're applying this corporate-libertarian ideal to this situation but only a small change to your statement undermines it.

How do you feel about universities being more strict towards particular ethnicities?
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