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Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Adjusting prices by demographic is so common in many industries. Charging less for children, families and the elderly is the same thing. Charging less for women in clubs. Same with booking hotels and flights, based on browsing history, IP address, cookies and the extrapolated demographic. Even a repair contractor adjusts his prices up for someone who lives in a mansion with expensive cars in the driveway, and down fo…

> "Nowhere on Tinder's website, privacy policy, or in its terms and conditions does the company say that it will charge you a different price based on your personal data," Choice's Erin Turner said.

This is the key bit here. You go in expecting a level-ish playing field (it's not really level, obviously, but for other reasons.) Turns out that to even get access to the same service as young people, you have to pay 5 times as much as them. Dating when you're older is already difficult so making it even more difficult isn't exactly great.

Now, the argument here is that Premium is a choice, you don't have to get it. That's true but I still find it unfair that certain categories get an artificially inflated price. I'm fine with discounts for younger people as they tend to earn less (especially queer women, which are noted as having the lowest asking price for Premium.) However, it shouldn't come at the expense of other users.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn't, I've been making this argument for years. In all of EU it's illegal to charge more for insurance based on gender, it should also be illegal to charge more based on age. Only your actual driving record, type of car being insured and possibly location should be taken into account when calculating the premium.

Couldn’t you argue that’s what’s happening? As in, would you support a lower rate for people with X years of no crashes? (Meaning teens wouldn’t be eligible because they just started driving)

Sure, in an ideal world an 18 year old who just started driving and a 50 year old who just got their licence should have identical rates, but in practice that's not the case - the older person will have a lower premium despite also having zero experience behind the wheel. Having a clean record is a thing you can work towards and can be rewarded with a lower premium - being older is not.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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post #23

I've only done a quick bit of research but can't seem to find a clear list of protected characteristics in Oz like we have in the UK, age being one of them.. I don't use tinder but just looking up their pricing model it's £3.99 for under 28yo and £14.99 for 28yo and over in the UK... how is this not a breech of the Equality Act 2010?

I'm the last person to defend old men from discrimination (mostly because it's uncommon), but yeah this doesn't sound right to me.

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Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

#54
post #27

Charging people different prices based on factors they can't control, and in secret to boot, is just wrong. Whether it's age or race or eye color, it's wrong. Why are people so greedy that they need to push against such simple principles so hard?

What about car insurance? Is it ok to charge more to insure teenage drivers?

I'd say yes in principle, because the cost of providing insurance is mostly the cost of risk which objectively and significantly correlates with age. Same for health insurance for example. Taking more profit off younger drivers would still be wrong though imo.

If the underlying cost of the service is legitimately and significantly affected by age, sure, charge accordingly. Tinder's case seems different.

The examples above are about age because any rules about age at least apply more or less consistently to all people as people age over time. I'm not saying that doing the same kind of pricing by other personal traits such as race or gender or eye color would be ok, just so that we're clear.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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Did you have to add the "white" in there? Was it definitely necessary or adding anything to this discussion?

I took it out just for you

Maybe take out the "old" too? Or do you really think age discrimination is uncommon?

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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My issue with this is that these decisions aren't necessarily being made because of operating costs. It doesn't cost more to host a man than a woman.

Meh, it's just like cover prices at a club. As a guy, you can let the "unfairness" bother you, or you can realize it's in your best interest to minimize barriers for women because basically everything is a saugagefest otherwise. Then again, the actual figures in the article tell a different story than the title does. - Queer female under 30: $7/mo - Straight female over 30: $30/mo - Straight male over 50: $35/mo So i…

Doesn't affect me personally I just thought it sounded weird from an outside perspective.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

#57

OKCupid also charges men, especially more than women for their premium service. It's common on online dating apps. Not much different than real life... in many clubs women can go inside for free while men have to pay entry ticket fee.

My issue with this is that these decisions aren't necessarily being made because of operating costs. It doesn't cost more to host a man than a woman.

It's perfectly normal that these decisions aren't necessarily being made because of operating costs, pricing in general is arbitrary and does not have to have any relation whatsoever with costs.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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post #48

Tinder has two goals: - make the most money from vulnerable people - make non vulnerable people behave like if they were on a social network Having different price, per geography, gender and age is just a consequence of the first. It is not surprising that you can't see anymore the instagram handles of people on tinder. Instagram is a direct competitor to tinder for most of their users ( the non vulnerable ones). Act…

Thank you. You said what I was thinking. It’s a parlor trick to get people to lower their guard like they do at a club with chill vibes and good people through subtle polish and serviceable functionality. It’s not Wolfram they’re coding at Tinder but I am curious what they are coding there. It’s a mystery.

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about car insurance? Is it ok to charge more to insure teenage drivers?

No, it isn't, I've been making this argument for years. In all of EU it's illegal to charge more for insurance based on gender, it should also be illegal to charge more based on age. Only your actual driving record, type of car being insured and possibly location should be taken into account when calculating the premium.

> Only your actual driving record,

In practice this argument leads to insurance companies charging thousands per year for all new drivers, and then giving discounts to drivers willing to install surveillance devices that report all aspects of the driver's driving.

https://www.confused.com/campaign/car-insurance/black-box

Re: Older men charged more for using Tinder's premium service

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post #27

Charging people different prices based on factors they can't control, and in secret to boot, is just wrong. Whether it's age or race or eye color, it's wrong. Why are people so greedy that they need to push against such simple principles so hard?

What about car insurance? Is it ok to charge more to insure teenage drivers?

Is it ok to charge people more based on postcode? IE charge poorer people more because they live in areas with higher crime.

I think no. Everyone should shoulder the costs.

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