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Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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Shutting down the internet is more or less as the major online platforms colluding to shutdown one side of the political spectrum.

Sometimes it's the government, sometimes it's people that aspire to be in the government and aren't yet. It's all about control.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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Context: Russian Mercs in Belarus: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/belarus-arrests-dozen...

it's not related to riots that are happening now

Yesterday, there were reports of Russian mercs arriving to help Lukashenka fight his people.

Just saying.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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post #48

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Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.

I don't agree with jammucoder that information restriction is a justifiable way to reduce terrorist attacks, but I think HN is exactly the sort of place that tolerates this exact kind of viewpoint, especially directly underneath a comment that argues the opposite.

HN values freedom and as software engineers who depend on the internet I don't think we'd tolerate bullshit comments like this.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

#54
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I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt brings back full 4G connectivity soon, I am grateful to them for taking the terror situation seriously.

Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.

Well, I'm affected by the 2G connection as well here, and have lived all my life seeing state govts here shielding terror groups. Things are improving now since the 370 abrogation and bringing J&K under central govt administration. And govt action isnt a one-dimensional thing, this is one of several measures the Indian govt has taken and people here are optimistic about the future.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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post #53
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with jammucoder that information restriction is a justifiable way to reduce terrorist attacks, but I think HN is exactly the sort of place that tolerates this exact kind of viewpoint, especially directly underneath a comment that argues the opposite.

HN values freedom and as software engineers who depend on the internet I don't think we'd tolerate bullshit comments like this.

HN's values are limited to the site guidelines. Arguing against freedom of information is tolerated in the context of Tik Tok, and IMO should be tolerated in the context of terrorism in Kashmir.

I want to re-iterate that I agree with you that curtailing the freedom of information is bad, but that simply arguing about it and hearing from those that feel otherwise — especially those that claim to be directly impacted — is incredibly valuable for me, sitting in New York City.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

#56

Context: Russian Mercs in Belarus: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/belarus-arrests-dozen...

There's no context in the above link.

It's background to the situation. Direct background.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm typing this from Jammu. Since 370 abrogation last year, number of terror incidents in J&K is down by 40%. Every story has two sides. While I hope the govt brings back full 4G connectivity soon, I am grateful to them for taking the terror situation seriously.

Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.

Your anti-argument statements are what have no place here. If you don't like what the person is saying, you need to either engage with them, or downvote and ignore.

> x is NEVER okay

is a just-so assertion, not an argument.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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It's really simple and sad: he has been in power since 1995. God knows what he has done as an absolute dictator. Also, to stay in power, tens or hundreds of thousands of others have helped him and they have their own fiefdoms.

Losing that and risking jail, isn't going to happen because people want change. So people better be lucky, because if they lose this revolt, they will be crushed mercilessly. Not sure EU /USA has any say over him, after all staying in power is his goal.

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shit like this has no place on HN. Using random statistics to justify taking away the freedom to access internet is NEVER okay.

Your anti-argument statements are what have no place here. If you don't like what the person is saying, you need to either engage with them, or downvote and ignore. > x is NEVER okay is a just-so assertion, not an argument.

Are we really at the stage where we argue about if we should have area-wide censorship?

Re: Belarus has shut down the internet amid a controversial election

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If a tyrannical government is willing to cut off internet access, what makes you think they won't also ban ham radio transmissions (enforcing via violent means) as well?

Ham is harder. Internet comes (mostly) through cables; those cables at some points are subject to the control of the government, and can be either technologically filtered or physically disrupted. (Satellite internet is clearly the exception.) But ham radio is like satellite internet - it's hard to cut off. You can ban it, as you say, but then you have to actually enforce the ban - either by jamming, or by finding si…

It was hard to jam radio transmissions in the past, but these days it's common. Russia did that to Ukrainian channels in Crimea and Donbass and Belarus has access to the same Russian technology.
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