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Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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This announcement is very strong in corporate speak. Main takeaway is that they’re out of money and need to are going to focus on making money?

Making a browsers requires developers, developers cost money. Since not enough people are donating, they have to figure out how to make money otherwise.

Yup; Google / Chrome, Apple / Safari + webkit, and Microsoft / Edge get away with it because their browser is not their product, it's an extra. For Google its original intent was to make the internet faster so that people would see more ads.

Firefox needs a company behind it whose income is not tied to the browser. I don't believe you can monetize a browser, not without doing some dodgy shit like forcing search engines on people, injecting ads, premium features, etc.

I know Firefox tried to launch a number of products over the years to try and make money, but at this point it doesn't seem to be working. I think their only hope financially is to be bought up by a FAANG, but they either have their own browsers or no interest in having one.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I want to use products from companies that I support. Mozilla is simply pushing too much politics that I strongly disagree with so I cannot support them. Brave is more private and respecting of the user, without the politics. It's all whats good with Mozilla leaving out the bad part. We could have had that in Mozilla today, but because virtue signaling they had to fire Brendan. This was probably the nail that l…

"Firing Eich because of his political views is virtue signalling. I don't use Firefox because of Mozilla's political views."

Yes, do you have something to say or do you just like to quote me?

I dislike companies that push a political agenda when the product or service itself has little to do with it. Privacy politics is fine, since that is a core part of Mozilla and Firefox and is very neutral since everyone can enjoy privacy. It is also part of the browsing experience.

But pushing stuff like "white privilege" is just pushing away users like me. I use Brave, which is a company founded by Brendan and they don't push anti gay marriage politics on me even if that is what they may support.

I just don't want that in my browser, it makes it a shitty experience. I don't understand what's hard to understand about that. I am also a web developer, so pissing me off will just result in me not testing the website in Firefox unless my users specifically requests it.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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That's the last call for anybody who thinks "it's good that Mozilla exists, and its mission is important, but I'm still using Chrome and derivatives". Mozilla can't exist solely because people think it has a good mission: it needs products that can pay the bills, or at least a large population of active users.

What kills me is when people say they use Chrome cause they don't trust Mozilla cause they embedded Pocket, but like Chrome is literally shoved with a million Google bits, even Chromium (the open source variant of Google Chrome which is the proprietary variant almost everyone installs) has Google crapware at a much larger scale. Mozilla's Firefox still feels like the lesser of the two evils. Edit: Added clarification…

Thing is, Google doesn't try to sell itself otherwise. Mozilla talks a good game about privacy and users-first, but then it goes and does things like Pocket, Mr. Robot, etc. that make it clear it is all just marketing.

Edit: Uh, my memory was faulty on this one. See below.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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This announcement is very strong in corporate speak. Main takeaway is that they’re out of money and need to are going to focus on making money?

Just get Google to fund them, i’m sure they will be glad to write a big cheque.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Mozilla management has me puzzled. They have a position that is incredibly strong, lots of dedicated users that would rather quit the web than switch to Chrome or Edge.

"But we know we also need to go beyond the browser to give people new products and technologies that both excite them and represent their interests"

Is exactly what they should stay away from. Work on the bloody browser, forget about the rest. There are bugs open for the browser that cost them marketshare every day (WebMIDI for instance) driving people to Chrome.

Spreading their focus thinly, causing their main product to be somewhat neglected and behind when it comes to comparing it with other browsers. And that's before we get into the re-write and forced upgrade and breakage of lots of important plug-ins.

It's not so much the changing world that is the problem here, but a ship that has become rudderless and that does not treat the browser landscape like the war it really is.

The world needs Mozilla, healthy and under good management. I'm not sure if that is a luxury we will have for much longer if they are going down hill this fast. On the plus side, it's open source and will - hopefully - continue to work for many years as long as there are people willing to keep it alive.

So as far as I'm concerned this post highlights the problem in the post itself, this is not what's needed.

Laser focus on the browser at the expense of all the fluff. Forget about 'internet activism' and 'building new products'.

Get the most secure and most user friendly, privacy first, standards compatible and feature rich browser out there and you'll survive for another decade at least. Get distracted by new and shiny stuff and I'd be surprised if it lasts another five years.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Are we now stuck with this vacuous corporate virtue signalling forever, or just until the globalist/leftist/whatever-ists finally achieve the absolute tyranny they seem to be seeking?

It's wild to live in a world where a guiding philosophy of maybe we as a society should make best efforts to treat people with maximum kindness is mistaken for "absolute tyranny".

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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250 people, roughly 25% of the company, were laid off today. This is on top of the 70 laid off in January (discussion of that at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22057737 )

Interviewed there last year, wasn't a fit. It turns out I dodged multiple bullets.

I hope they turn things around though. Firefox is a great product and we need it. And I hope the people who were let go land safely on their feet elsewhere.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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post #84

This announcement is very strong in corporate speak. Main takeaway is that they’re out of money and need to are going to focus on making money?

Making a browsers requires developers, developers cost money. Since not enough people are donating, they have to figure out how to make money otherwise.

I wonder what percentage of their bottom line comes from goodwill donations from individuals, versus the millions they get each year from Google and various other search companies they have contracts with - in some recent past years Google has been funding like 90%+ of their budget haven't they?

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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That's the last call for anybody who thinks "it's good that Mozilla exists, and its mission is important, but I'm still using Chrome and derivatives". Mozilla can't exist solely because people think it has a good mission: it needs products that can pay the bills, or at least a large population of active users.

> Mozilla can't exist solely because people think it has a good mission: it needs products that can pay the bills, or at least a large population of active users. Absolutely. It has to stand on its own feet. Yet the only reason Mozilla is being kept alive is due to Google paying them to be the default search engine as part of a deal which is where the majority of their revenue is from. [0] Funny how their mission in…

Well, you have to pick your battles, right? Maybe in some future when Mozilla has their own privacy-oriented open-source search engine, as well as an independent solid source of income, it would cease to sign contracts with Google. We aren't there yet, and may never be.
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