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Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Fighting racism and fighting for human rights is something that happens to be important when your focus is not only making profit

God forbid they might think about concentrating solely on making the best browser eh? Where would that end!

Roughly where we are now. Making the best browser doesn't pay the bills.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Fighting racism and fighting for human rights is something that happens to be important when your focus is not only making profit

God forbid they might think about concentrating solely on making the best browser eh? Where would that end!

I think you should look back at Mozilla's mission before making a statement like that.

As Kvark wrote above [1]:

> Mozilla is not a software company today that tries to be an internet activist. Mozilla is an activist company that also happens to develop software to prove their point. So no, it's not just about the web browser.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24120561

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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"New focus on economics": It was bad enough seeing terrible clickbait in the "Recommended by Pocket" section displayed on every new tab. Now I have to go into settings to opt-out of Sponsored Stories so I don't have to see ads for Honey. All to fund the so-called "internet activist movement"? I just want a web browser, not an ideology.

Unfortunately web browsers cost money to make and maintain and people at large have shown they won't buy one the old fashioned way. Finding something that works is a hard problem.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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Seeing Mozilla burn fills my heart with joy. Maybe they will be forced to be an actual software dev company instead of a political activist group. But even in this post they had to shove in 'racism' in the headline.

+1 to this, big time.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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What kills me is when people say they use Chrome cause they don't trust Mozilla cause they embedded Pocket, but like Chrome is literally shoved with a million Google bits, even Chromium (the open source variant of Google Chrome which is the proprietary variant almost everyone installs) has Google crapware at a much larger scale. Mozilla's Firefox still feels like the lesser of the two evils. Edit: Added clarification…

Well i think Mozilla made very clear in the past that they did all they can to avoid Pocket to be evasive, and they made it to respect your privacy, in case you choose to use it. Of course you can always turn it off on your Firefox and never come across it again.

Somehow I feel like they could have avoided a lot of the backlash by renaming Pocket to Firefox Pocket (and thus being part of the Firefox Lockwise, Firefox Send, Firefox Sync etc suite). Instead of being / feeling like it’s own separate entity, it would have felt like an integral part of Firefox and thus enjoying the same privacy commitments. Even though I have Pocket disabled I don’t see much of a problem with it being in the browser. Isn’t it the same concept as Safari’s Reading List?

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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"New focus on economics": It was bad enough seeing terrible clickbait in the "Recommended by Pocket" section displayed on every new tab. Now I have to go into settings to opt-out of Sponsored Stories so I don't have to see ads for Honey. All to fund the so-called "internet activist movement"? I just want a web browser, not an ideology.

I'm totally with you on "Recommended by Pocket" thing, it's very sad. But I think you are confusing Mozilla with something it's not. Mozilla is not a software company today that tries to be an internet activist. Mozilla is an activist company that also happens to develop software to prove their point. So no, it's not just about the web browser.

> Mozilla is an activist company that also happens to develop software to prove their point.

Then they should prioritize actions over words. Their blog posts paint a very different world from the one where they often ignore their users.

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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That's the last call for anybody who thinks "it's good that Mozilla exists, and its mission is important, but I'm still using Chrome and derivatives". Mozilla can't exist solely because people think it has a good mission: it needs products that can pay the bills, or at least a large population of active users.

Well, I want to use products from companies that I support. Mozilla is simply pushing too much politics that I strongly disagree with so I cannot support them. Brave is more private and respecting of the user, without the politics. It's all whats good with Mozilla leaving out the bad part. We could have had that in Mozilla today, but because virtue signaling they had to fire Brendan. This was probably the nail that l…

"Firing Eich because of his political views is virtue signalling. I don't use Firefox because of Mozilla's political views."

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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> Sadly, the changes also include a significant reduction in our workforce — approximately 250 people of exceptional professional and personal caliber who have made outstanding contributions to who we are today. To each of them, I extend my heartfelt thanks and deepest regrets that we have come to this point. This is a humbling recognition of the realities we face, and what is needed to overcome them. What a load of…

You do get that the total compensation for 250 FTE's is probably in the neighborhood of $25 million/yr. She gets paid about $1m/yr which includes performance incentives. So if she just gave up her whole salary she would only have to fire 96% of the people let go today. C suite members raking in high salaries is the tiniest most insignificant issue when it comes to a large orgs finances. In most large orgs if C sites…

Yes, I specifically addressed that point in my post:

> I agree that it would have been an insignificant number of the 250 people fired, but it would have made a difference in the life of the employees not fired and it would have given meaning to her words.

Are you saying it would not have been worth it?

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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post #42

This has wayyy too much corporate doublespeak in it. I try not to be negative on companies with a good mission, but this fluff-filled announcement tells my spidey senses that they're about to do something that people won't like.

You're not wrong, but why do you suspect the "something people won't like" is anything more than this massive layoff?

There's a lot of talk of values that doesn't have an obvious associated action. This is typically a two stage way of announcing something. Next comes the actual action, which is in keeping with the "new values".

Re: Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

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post #38

"New focus on economics": It was bad enough seeing terrible clickbait in the "Recommended by Pocket" section displayed on every new tab. Now I have to go into settings to opt-out of Sponsored Stories so I don't have to see ads for Honey. All to fund the so-called "internet activist movement"? I just want a web browser, not an ideology.

I'm totally with you on "Recommended by Pocket" thing, it's very sad. But I think you are confusing Mozilla with something it's not. Mozilla is not a software company today that tries to be an internet activist. Mozilla is an activist company that also happens to develop software to prove their point. So no, it's not just about the web browser.

I wish Mozilla would distribute their free software the way some museums charge entry. A “suggested donation” of $X. And when I go to download the browser prompt me to either pay the suggested donation or manually change it to $0. I’d gladly pay $10 for Firefox every major update and I’m sure I’m not alone. It’s just not something I really think about very often. The passive asks just aren’t that effective.
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