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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Actually Trump is just fighting for the interests of Americans. Interesting fan-fiction though!

Wrong, Trump only fights for himself. Americans will also suffer the consequences of a new irresponsible "Cold War". Trump, on the other hand, will continue lining his pockets.

Diagnosis: TDS

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #348

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This seems irrelevant.

Classic misdirection tactic. "what has company X done?" "company Y did this bad thing" "all companies in Z do bad thing"

Huh?

GGP: Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"?

GP: My father used to work for molex, one of his biggest complaints were fixing the molds after they were sent to Chinese factories. They would try to deconstruct them and couldn’t put them back together

Taking apart competitors' products is standard & ethically accepted practice virtually everywhere, there are lots of published anecdotes. Eg the one in Soul of a New Machine, where the team at Data General analyze a VAX. And there's no relevance to the surveillance state.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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I question the validity of the accusations i Xinjiang. If you can provide me evidence of wrongdoing, I will be more than glad to read and investigate it. China is dealing with radical Islamists in the best way they feel they can. I never said that China was "ok", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy that is always present when we demonize a foreign nation, for political ends.

Amnesty International has interviewed more than 400 people who have reported disappearances and sometimes torture in Xinjiang. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/12/ozils-uyghur-... >I never said that China was "ok", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy that is I'm sure you think this is helpful, but this is a false equivalence that, for practical purposes, serves to derail necessary and needed criticisms of C…

Amnesty international has a troubled history. https://www.mintpressnews.com/amnesty-international-troublin...

Luis Kutner was a co-founder of Amnesty international, and Kutner would go on to form the “Friends of the FBI” group, an organization “formed to combat criticism of the Federal Bureau of Investigations,” according to the New York Times, after its covert campaign to disrupt leftists movements — COINTELPRO — was revealed. He also went on to operate in a number of theaters that saw heavy involvement from the CIA — including work Kutner did to undermine Congolese Prime Minister and staunch anti-imperialist Patrice Lumumba — and represented the Dalai Lama, who was provided $1.7 million a year by the CIA in the 1960s.

If you want more recent events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

They were the ones that "corroborated" her testimony.

If it weren't so tragic, it would almost be comical, its like they have manufactured consent before, and know what they are doing...

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #90

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> Furthermore, State is a decade or more behind the game. It is my impression that modern companies that care about security assume that all networks are compromised and act accordingly. Unfortunately far from true. There's a small percentage who have the resource to run this kind of ops. Don't look at FAANG on how security is in companies, they're outliers by far.

There's also massive amounts of variation between the companies in that group. Some are prohibited from taking source code off a computer located on premises (employees' take-home machines are "dumb" to the extreme in that they basically connect directly to their computers at work); others encourage their employees to use pre-production and internal products for personal use. As you can guess, they have dramatically…

Google does both.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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BeyondCorp is their term for secure communication between users and services, BeyondProd is for communication between services: https://cloud.google.com/security/beyondprod

Thanks for the link, didn't know that existed. Reminds me of when Google security engineers... ahem ...reacted...to the Snowden leak that the NSA was spying on internally decrypted traffic. [1] It's insane to me that the US spied on an American company's internal traffic, got busted, and the only viable response was "well, I guess we have to make HTTPS mandatory in the protocol now". Not that it was the wrong respons…

I'm not defending this thought process, and I disagree with it, but I can at least understand.

You basically have two levels of recourse against the state for redress of grievances: elections and litigation. You absolutely can, and I believe every major corporation should have, sued the NSA and the larger federal government post-Snowden. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know the specifics of what that would have looked like but it seemed like a pretty egregious violation of a whole list of rights. But litigation, especially against an intelligence agency, seems a little quixotic in this context.

Elections don't seem like they'd have much impact against the NSA. They're not elected officials, and only the top leadership is appointed. Most of them are career bureaucrats (I don't necessarily mean that in a negative way) and scientists/mathematicians. You could replace a third of the Senate and the entire House every 24 months and you're not going to get sweeping changes throughout the NSA. From a national security, somewhat hawkish perspective, that might be a feature rather than a bug? But from a civil liberties/freedom perspective it's definitely a concern.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #196

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Most people aren't philosophers or social scientists, and their understanding of criminal science is based on their personal experiences with crime and punishment or their casual suppositions. This is why a trusted and high quality education is essential for a strong democracy.

Some disagree about that: > Generally the better educated are more prone to irrational political opinions and political hysteria than the worse educated far from power. Why? In the field of political opinion they are more driven by fashion, a gang mentality, and the desire to pose about moral and political questions all of which exacerbate cognitive biases, encourage groupthink, and reduce accuracy. Those on average…

I'm not necessarily referring to people having a high level of education -- a PhD in mathematics doesn't give anyone a higher understanding of criminal justice or other civics issues.

What is important is a well-rounded secondary education and/or liberal arts post-secondary education.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #240

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Some of the companies listed in the photo are only companies that do not (or have never) used Huawei equipment in their network infrastructure. For instance, Rogers (Canadian telecom company) hasn't released any statements [as far as I'm aware—to date] following Pompeo's announcement. They've been set up to use Ericcson for their 5G rollout for several years. It's misleading on the part of whoever drafted the documen…

Opinion: The only reason Canadian telecoms and the Canadian government haven't officially announced an outright ban is because of the delicate situation with Meng + the two Michaels. They've almost certainly, behind the scenes, committed to it.

Oh no doubt. The Canadian gov is certainly more nuanced (sometimes to a fault) with a lot of issues.

I was just pointing out that the Canadian telecoms did this long before the US admin started honking their horn about "Clean Networks TM" and not at all to comply with American [government executive] directives like "if you are freedom loving you'll join us".

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #255

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> The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. Back in 2014, China launched a crackdown on illegal online content, it was named "净网行动", which literally translates to "Clean Network Campaign/Action". The targets were illegal materials, mainly materials officially considered obscene,…

:) Learning from each other will continue. Especially how to bypass govt erected half baked BS.

Instead of the Great Firewall of China we get the half-assed Trump Firewall that doesn't really get built and doesn't require anything more complicated than a SOCKS proxy.
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