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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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It looks like we are breaking the internet up along the lines of political boundaries. The US will have one internet, the EU another, China yet another... Hopefully the pendulum will swing back in the other direction soon...

Hopefully, none of this will be implemented and we can all forget Mike Pompeo exists in 6 months.

Judging by your politics the other party will do the same citing Russian interference, you will always be slaves to your two party system abs continue fighting with each other.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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What is the Z-team?

I am _guessing_ they wanted to mean pollar opposite of A-Team. (As non-native speaker) I always interpret A-Team as your most competent team for a given task.

Ah makes sense... thanks for the clarification!

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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If you're not already familiar with the history of labeling immigrants (particularly non-European immigrants) as unclean or dirty, I'd urge you to read up. This article seems to be a good start: https://journals.openedition.org/transtexts/1011 In short, calling this a "clean" network continues a long history of racist and xenophobic language in the U.S.

Diagnosis: TDS

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #231

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Yeah I think Google calls it BeyondProd their version of a zero trust network.

I believe it's BeyondCorp: https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp

BeyondCorp is their term for secure communication between users and services, BeyondProd is for communication between services: https://cloud.google.com/security/beyondprod

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Can we get a clean government? Free from hyper-partisan politics, where there can be more than two sides and folks on other sides are still on the same overall team and not the enemy? Together we stand, divided we fall.

The whole goal of trumpism is to create slaves to the ideology of white and western supremacy. It has so clear racial undertones that it's not a surprise they want to attack China: they see it more as a racial target, poorly disguised with "homeland security" excuses.

Actually Trump is just fighting for the interests of Americans. Interesting fan-fiction though!

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

#296
post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

The parallel effort is the demonization of Section 230. Subjecting web companies to liability for users' speech is the surest way to squelch all that messy, hard to control speech.

Things will certainly be much cleaner when your public information comes from a short list of large companies with a lot to lose.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #5

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Hopefully, none of this will be implemented and we can all forget Mike Pompeo exists in 6 months.

how will Chinese internet "swing back" if Pompeo stops existing. Chinese invented their great firewall for trump, that your logic?

This admin is making it worse (see: article). Perhaps a new admin can make it better.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Simple, stop outsourcing manufacturing to China. Companies regularly get contracts which require an IP transfer in return for cheap mass labor. Of course there's IP which is stolen, but that's the cost of doing business when manufacturing at home has been shuttered.

But, wouldn't this need to be enforced by the government? How else are companies going to agree to stop outsourcing manufacturing to China? And if you agree that the correct solution involves government regulation, then what specifically about this plan doesn't accomplish your preferred outcome of "stop outsourcing manufacturing to China"? I may be naive but I also fail to see exactly how this plan is bad. Do you not…

My comment was intended to be descriptive, rather than prescriptive. IP theft isn't a new thing and American companies no doubt take it into account when manufacturing overseas.

Enforcing IP internationally is actually quite difficult anyways. Tariffs effectively restrict manufacturing overseas, as there's some breaking point in cost to produce.

I don't believe banning trade / manufacturing to China is a good idea, we depend on them for cheap consumer goods, and they depend on that revenue. We developed a dependency on Chinese manufacturing because it was cheap, and no with little to no manufacturing ability stateside, we're tied to their economy.

As someone who worked for the D.O.E for years, I can care less where consumer goods / technology is manufactured. The US government already has VERY strict rules about manufacturing for military / transportation equipment. "National Defense" isn't going to be decided by who owns TikTok or app-de-jour.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #237

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> However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect You realize that this is an absolutely inane thing to ask right? The direct implication is that Trump is slowing down the USPS in order the guarantee his re-election - are you l…

No, but I would like to see a more compelling narrative and supporting evidence for what is actually a pretty huge claim.

You're right in so far as there's no direct supporting evidence. However, let's put a few things together:

1: May 6th, Trump appointee Louis DeJoy confirmed as Postmaster General and CEO.

2: June 30, Trump suggests that mail-in voting is fraudulent and suggests delaying the election because of it https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12888181603895582...

3: July 15, DeJoy starts cutting costs and overtime during one of the most trying times the USPS has ever seen, resulting in delays: https://apnews.com/59c25efd4d325c4895f8ba85517f9bfd

4: August 7, DeJoy fires or reassigns 23 top executives, dramatically changing the existing power structure and centralizing decision making at the top. https://www.fastcompany.com/90538378/whats-happening-with-th...

No, those executives don't deliver mail. They did make all the decisions about how mail is delivered, who does it, and when. By centralizing the power structure DeJoy has put himself in the position of being able to make arbitrary decisions about postal delivery with very little immediate oversight.

The USPS is playing an unusually large role in this election and Trump (and, let's not forget, state-level actors that continue to take active measures in US elections) has indicated that he's open to messing with mail delivery to win.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

As a Canadian, I learned about the American melting pot as "drop your culture and adopt ours" in contrast to the Canadian multiculturalism.

The melting pot makes non-white people idealize white people, which is hard to imagine as anything but a top down imposition of standards

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