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Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by onetimemanytime »

wongarsu wrote: post #169
onetimemanytime wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so if Huawei offers everyone in America free Alexa-like speakers, USA should do nothing? Or if they give free routers to major infrastructure companies..?

They could make proper privacy laws. If both Alexa speakers and Huawei speakers have to respect your privacy and both are banned for failing to do so you sidestep a lot of the issues

Let's step back for a second: Amazon wants to know what you said to sell you x brand of corn flakes or toothpaste.

What does China want to know from millions of Americans that work in engineering, military, universities, politics? See the difference. Like China cares that its company was fined by FTC for $25 million for not respecting privacy

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by buran77 »

swebs wrote: post #175
buran77 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

The USA has been the sole military superpower for 30 years now, with more power than the rest of the world combined. If they wanted global dominance, they'd already have it long ago.

"Plans for global dominance" can mean more than just achieving it. One can also plan to maintain it or grow it. Perhaps it's just semantics but an important distinction.

In this particular case China's plan to achieve global dominance is in stark opposition to the US's plan to maintain global dominance.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by jfreax »

ivolimmen wrote: post #179

This would be so interesting if TikTok wins. I want to see Donald go mad. Let's just hope he does press the big red button because of it...

> Let's just hope he does press the big red button because of it...

I hope you forgot a "not" somewhere in this sentence...?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

puranjay wrote: post #82
ponker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.

No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far, far more in the long run than any short-term profits your IP might get you. You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state. You get it by valuing individual rights and freedom. I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of…

That only worked when China was a small country economically. Once China passes the U.S. and becomes the #1 economic superpower, none of this matters. These small fish "allies" are not really important.

> I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of all places, is cheering it

Everything you said here we already know. What you don't realize is the world is going through an invisible war right now at a scale of world war 3. These first world country people have never lived a difficult life so they just think everything will be all right just because it's been all right through their entire life. When China gains its dominance by bullying the rest of the world and the rest of the world just trying to "take the high road", they will realize there's no longer anything they can do about the situation because the Chinese economy has become too strong. This is why countries like India are taking the same route already (They were the ones who banned TikTok first).

There is no permanent "ally" in the world politics. If you naively think "taking the high road" will win you allies even if it means losing your power, you should study history and learn to see long term.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by endogui »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #137
virtue3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO TikTok being owned by the CCP now is a clear and present danger to all Americans using the app. You make some fair points, but there is no way that I would trust a government agency to actually do code reviews and verify that a company isn't doing something wrong. I feel increasingly unsafe because this app is being operated by a company that is beyond extradition with the USA. So if they ARE busted for doing ba…

It's owned by ByteDance, not the CPC.

ButeDance is a Chinese company responsible for complying with directives from the CCP. If one doesn't trust the CCP, then one should not trust ByteDance.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by bigbluedots »

jfreax wrote: post #183
ivolimmen wrote: post #179

This would be so interesting if TikTok wins. I want to see Donald go mad. Let's just hope he does press the big red button because of it...

> Let's just hope he does press the big red button because of it... I hope you forgot a "not" somewhere in this sentence...?

It'd be silly for whoever provides the Big Red Button to have it plugged in to anything in this instance.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by itsoktocry »

panpanna wrote: post #143

Not sure what to feel about this one. I don't like this company, which has already started censoring foreign nationals based on what CCP allows. At the same time, how can a single person decide the fate of a company in a different country? What will be next? Furthermore, what if EU decides Instagram is somehow a threat and must be shut down?

>At the same time, how can a single person decide the fate of a company in a different country?

How is TikTok's fate being decided by a US ban? The CCP does this all the time, it isn't uncommon to ban foreign software.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by Ygg2 »

buisi wrote: post #62
Ygg2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? China uses data it gathers to track down and arrest dissident (and/or ship them to organ harvesting/re-education camps). Last time I checked, Facebook isn't owned by US, and US doesn't reeducate their people in such a gut wrenching ways (pun intended).

Do you have a source on the organ harvesting?

There are several listed in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_Chi...

But the wait time for organs are suspiciously short. And the accusations of Falun Gong practicioners align with these.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by itsoktocry »

puranjay wrote: post #82
ponker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you keep trying to take the "high road" you'll keep losing your IP and getting nothing for it.

No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far, far more in the long run than any short-term profits your IP might get you. You don't get world-class talent moving to your country by being a totalitarian state. You get it by valuing individual rights and freedom. I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves - and the fact that HN, of…

>No, by taking the "high road" and valuing freedom and rights, you get global influence and alliances that are worth far

How can anyone paying attention to global politics for the past 20 years claim this?

>I'm amazed at the short-term thinking behind these moves

The short-term thinking was Western companies doing everything in their power to appease the CCP in order to gain access to a huge market.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by ausbah »

even if any of the allegations against the platform are true, banning a single major platform like this - especially coming from someone as ham-fisted and blatant as Donald Trump - won't solve any of the problems people have with how China runs their businesses
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