> Clean Cable: To ensure the undersea cables connecting our country to the global internet are not subverted for intelligence gathering by the PRC at hyper scale
What is hyper scale? Did Trump write the copy for this site?
The Clean Network – United States Department of State
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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's possible to criticize the national security state in the U.S. while not losing sight of the fact that China is run by an authoritarian government guilty of abuses at a completely different order of magnitude. That difference is important, because a lot of people even in this thread seem to completely lose sight of it.
... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... I would argue that the United States is worse than China. China isn't, nor has it really ever been imperialist. The United States is an imperialist country that has wreaked havoc across the globe, and is responsible for the death of millions of innocent civilians.
> China isn't, nor has it really ever been imperialist.
Would Tibetans agree with you on that point?
> The United States [...] is responsible for the death of millions of innocent civilians.
Are you aware of China’s Great Leap Forward and the ensuing Great Famine?
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would it be? There are no plausible 5G competitors coming from Russia. There are very few (if any) electronics manufactured in Russia and imported to the U.S.
Any resources the US spends in conflict with China are resources it can't spend in conflict with Russia. The US is relatively weaker, Russia is relatively stronger. 5G is just one small piece of the puzzle.
Russia is not relatively stronger than the U.S. by any metric. And we're not in conflict with Russia. China is the #2 economy in the world...it got there at a blistering pace and it has a population advantage over the U.S. by about 3x or 4x. China has been known to steal technology from U.S. firms and universities. It's been known to spy. They have vast amounts of electronics manufacturing capacity and can completely compromise our IT security as a nation if they are allowed to proceed. No need for social engineering hackers when you can compromise chips, software and boards directly at the factory.
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.
The first sentence really stood out to me... "The Clean Network program is the Trump Administration’s comprehensive approach to..." Isn't that a bit odd? Surely these things would be worded as 'is the United States Government approach..' It almost smacks of 'errr, don't blame us guys, it wasn't our idea. Love the low res images of the logos too.
Every time Pence talked during a Covid update, he'd say "Thanks to President Trump's leadership...".
God fucking damnit...
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
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The US is not a democracy for the vast majority of Americans. It is an oligarchy posing as a democracy.
Between an Oligarchy posing as democracy that give me the 'illusion' of choice and an Hegemonic Autocracy run by a single party, without any alternative and by an egomaniac without opposition, I chose the former every day of my life.
At least the current egomaniac in the US Presidency can be voted out under the 'illusion' system
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... I would argue that the United States is worse than China. China isn't, nor has it really ever been imperialist. The United States is an imperialist country that has wreaked havoc across the globe, and is responsible for the death of millions of innocent civilians.
Your link includes post-WWII "regime change". Would you rather live in Western Europe or Eastern Europe? North Korea or South Korea? The point is, the United States has done a lot of things across the world. Some of it may be havoc. It may be responsible for many deaths. It's also responsible for many improved lives. China today is involved in territorial disputes involving military mobilization with more than half o…
I question the validity of the accusations i Xinjiang. If you can provide me evidence of wrongdoing, I will be more than glad to read and investigate it. China is dealing with radical Islamists in the best way they feel they can.
I never said that China was "ok", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy that is always present when we demonize a foreign nation, for political ends.
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> All Soviets, Nazi and Japanese progress are built on ideas and attitudes first found in Reformation Europe. And yet they still managed to adopt all the useful ideas they needed despite heavy political censorship.
They also all lost.
So did the British Empire.
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your link includes post-WWII "regime change". Would you rather live in Western Europe or Eastern Europe? North Korea or South Korea? The point is, the United States has done a lot of things across the world. Some of it may be havoc. It may be responsible for many deaths. It's also responsible for many improved lives. China today is involved in territorial disputes involving military mobilization with more than half o…
> Some of it may be havoc. It may be responsible for many deaths. It's also responsible for many improved lives. If we're making those kinds of tradeoff, China is just as responsible for many improved lives, just look at the Road and Belt initiative, projects against poverty and involvement in Africa.
China pulled an entire nation of 1 billion people out of poverty, industrialized and become a global force in less than a century. As is typical with propaganda, you must demonize the enemy as an all knowing specter read to pounce, and at the same time pretend they are a toothless tiger that has so many failing they could never be considered successful.
>The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-...
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#379The Clean Network being the same network that Edward Snowden spoke out about?
Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your link includes post-WWII "regime change". Would you rather live in Western Europe or Eastern Europe? North Korea or South Korea? The point is, the United States has done a lot of things across the world. Some of it may be havoc. It may be responsible for many deaths. It's also responsible for many improved lives. China today is involved in territorial disputes involving military mobilization with more than half o…
I question the validity of the accusations i Xinjiang. If you can provide me evidence of wrongdoing, I will be more than glad to read and investigate it. China is dealing with radical Islamists in the best way they feel they can. I never said that China was "ok", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy that is always present when we demonize a foreign nation, for political ends.
Amnesty International has interviewed more than 400 people who have reported disappearances and sometimes torture in Xinjiang.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/12/ozils-uyghur-...
>I never said that China was "ok", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy that is
I'm sure you think this is helpful, but this is a false equivalence that, for practical purposes, serves to derail necessary and needed criticisms of China.