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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by bhewes »

yencabulator wrote: post #166
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

> It is my impression that modern companies that care about security assume that all networks are compromised and act accordingly. I think more to the point, Google et al assume that all networks are compromised by state level actors . As in NSA. As in the people who wrote this "Clean" policy.

Yeah I think Google calls it BeyondProd their version of a zero trust network.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by Angostura »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #108
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.

The first sentence really stood out to me...

"The Clean Network program is the Trump Administration’s comprehensive approach to..."

Isn't that a bit odd? Surely these things would be worded as 'is the United States Government approach..' It almost smacks of 'errr, don't blame us guys, it wasn't our idea.

Love the low res images of the logos too.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by AmericanChopper »

csense wrote: post #221

Chinese government mandated pre-installed spyware on all phones made in China is certainly a huge problem. But on the other hand, isn't it a violation of First Amendment protections if the US government can dictate certain apps aren't allowed to be distributed in the US? Since software's subject to copyright, doesn't it logically follow that banning software is legally similar to banning a book?

Imported goods and services aren’t protected by 1A.

Software is protected by 1A, so there’s nothing the government could do to prevent China from publishing software or source code, and allowing people in the US to download it. But it can certainly prevent a Chinese entity from providing services to US customers.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by Angostura »

munificent wrote: post #177
sjs382 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The site uses WordPress and the post author decided to include a thumbnail, scaled up to regular size, rather than using the original: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CleanNetwor...

Jesus fucking Christ. I remember when the US government wasn't a complete laughingstock.

But this isn't characterised in the text as a US government initiative. It's "The Trump administration's" - see first sentence. Very odd.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by theossuary »

kfrzcode wrote: post #223
munificent wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus fucking Christ. I remember when the US government wasn't a complete laughingstock.

Hot take! Interested in helping improve the state of things? Plenty of jobs available with the USDS and various departments from Forestry to HHS!

Who would take a job anywhere with that type of leadership though?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by azinman2 »

yencabulator wrote: post #166
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

> It is my impression that modern companies that care about security assume that all networks are compromised and act accordingly. I think more to the point, Google et al assume that all networks are compromised by state level actors . As in NSA. As in the people who wrote this "Clean" policy.

Do you want to add the CCP to that list?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by dekhn »

nemothekid wrote: post #197
dekhn wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I read all articles about the USPS the day they are published across a wide range of journals. However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect; further, the PG has explicitly said they are prepared to handle mail-in votes…

> However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect You realize that this is an absolutely inane thing to ask right? The direct implication is that Trump is slowing down the USPS in order the guarantee his re-election - are you l…

No, but I would like to see a more compelling narrative and supporting evidence for what is actually a pretty huge claim.

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Post by csb6 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #214
pulse7 wrote: post #189

So the country whose national security and intelligence agencies have gathered the largest database of sensitive information in the world is proposing to "safeguard sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors"... If U.S. is some kind of role model / example for other countries to follow (in terms of freedoms, democracy, prosperity, etc) then other countries will also gather sensitive information…

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The US is not a democracy for the vast majority of Americans. It is an oligarchy posing as a democracy.

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Post by elliekelly »

dannyw wrote: post #145
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

The Chinese has shown no interest in co-operating with the world. They are an enemy. What’s wrong with keeping them out of our internet when they have their own? To put it another way; this is like allowing your enemy to design and manfacture your military jets.

The Chinese government has shown no interest in cooperating with many western governments. Even though the Chinese government is, in some ways, an “enemy”, most of the 1.5 billion people living in China are not. We should be interested in what the people have to say and I’m sure the people of China are interested in what we have to say, too. We should be building connections amongst the people, not walls.

I’d even say that’s the entire point of the internet - sharing and inclusion. There isn’t “our” internet and “their” internet - there’s just the internet.

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Post by mthoms »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #36
vlovich123 wrote: post #13

Isn't it ridiculously easy to set up attacks from within a "clean" network? It probably does increase costs marginally (you have to fly people to "clean" countries, set up ISP access with third parties, etc) but are there any public estimates how much it does that vs the increased costs to run this network? I would think it's marginal. Seeing the partner list this seems like more of a ploy by telecoms to attack tech…

Some of the companies listed in the photo are only companies that do not (or have never) used Huawei equipment in their network infrastructure. For instance, Rogers (Canadian telecom company) hasn't released any statements [as far as I'm aware—to date] following Pompeo's announcement. They've been set up to use Ericcson for their 5G rollout for several years. It's misleading on the part of whoever drafted the documen…

Opinion: The only reason Canadian telecoms and the Canadian government haven't officially announced an outright ban is because of the delicate situation with Meng + the two Michaels. They've almost certainly, behind the scenes, committed to it.
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