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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.

The first sentence really stood out to me... "The Clean Network program is the Trump Administration’s comprehensive approach to..." Isn't that a bit odd? Surely these things would be worded as 'is the United States Government approach..' It almost smacks of 'errr, don't blame us guys, it wasn't our idea. Love the low res images of the logos too.

Probably the same reason why every white house announcement has to say that whatever it is is way better than any previous administration did or could have done.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Yep. This "Clean Network" BS reminds me of the "Golden Shield" project (official name of the project that China's firewall is part of). Not something I'd expect from the US.

If the Clean Network lasts even so much as a few months as an infrastructure with a non-trivial amount of activity, it will be a fascinating time capsule. It will reflect a very strange kind of culture and bizarre set of national security assumptions and political constraints. When we look back at the archive.org copies of Clean Net, it will be like visiting a bizarre short lived theme park.

> archive.org copies

> short lived

Two predictions I really hope are correct.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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> We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network. This makes me physically sick. The only freedom you have in the U.S. is being poor, controlled, and oh yea, you can Tweet whatever you want. While the U.S., both citizens and the government, have pointed fingers at Russia, China, and , we've been under the assault of propaganda and control for decades, at increasing rates, all under the…

> oh yea, you can Tweet whatever you want. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but: https://www.cracked.com/article_25266_6-totally-stupid-thing...

Edge cases for an obvious hyperbole is not really bad news. Of course you can't Tweet whatever you want, and you can't even say whatever you want. That's obvious. The hyperbole was a jab at people, often commenters on this very site, justifying "freedom" in the U.S. as being able to Tweet the president whatever you want, within reason, as opposed to other authoritarian countries.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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We actually don’t know that the US has gathered the largest database of sensitive information. Only that it used to gather a lot before Snowden.

So why then are so many BigData job offerings at those US agencies? I am speaking of hundreds and thousands here...

Are there really that many job openings?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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The US is not a democracy for the vast majority of Americans. It is an oligarchy posing as a democracy.

It's possible to criticize the national security state in the U.S. while not losing sight of the fact that China is run by an authoritarian government guilty of abuses at a completely different order of magnitude. That difference is important, because a lot of people even in this thread seem to completely lose sight of it.

... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

I would argue that the United States is worse than China. China isn't, nor has it really ever been imperialist. The United States is an imperialist country that has wreaked havoc across the globe, and is responsible for the death of millions of innocent civilians.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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There’s such a long list of this stuff from various companies. It’s not hard to research this at all. In terms of an anecdotal evidence... My father used to work for molex, one of his biggest complaints were fixing the molds after they were sent to Chinese factories. They would try to deconstruct them and couldn’t put them back together (this was the 90’s, early 2000’s). So they would be shipped back to the US operat…

This seems irrelevant.

Classic misdirection tactic.

"what has company X done?"

"company Y did this bad thing"

"all companies in Z do bad thing"

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.

Why has no one actually provided evidence of a single backdoor in the replies? The top reply is currently some anecdote that while interesting does not answer the question at all. Surely we can be less shitty about answering the OP’s question. As a start, it sounds like at some point there were unsecured Telnet servers in some Huawei devices: https://www.theregister.com/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_rou... It’s not en…

Because propaganda and nationalism are one hell of a drug.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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So why then are so many BigData job offerings at those US agencies? I am speaking of hundreds and thousands here...

Are there really that many job openings?

Just search for all current and past "data scientist" / BigData job offerings for those agencies on Google and Archive.org for the last 10 years. This data is freely available.
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