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only the NSA is allowed to backdoor US networking hardware
Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.
The connection is made from: 1. The Chinese National Intelligence Law requiring every citizen to "intelligence work". 2. Huawei had the potential to reach mass adoption outside of China. 3. Huawei is a company deeply connected to the PLA. 4. Therefore Huawei, not only is its HQ required to spy for China, but that it is very likely to work with the PLA to spy for China. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Inte…
There's no shortage of "guesses" and "plausible connections" around but the parent comment is specifically asking for actual proof in this instance.
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how will Chinese internet "swing back" if Pompeo stops existing. Chinese invented their great firewall for trump, that your logic?
It won't, but it's already not part of what we typically consider "the internet". One country pretty much always being isolated from it is somewhat different than further ripping the currently-connected bits apart. > Chinese invented their great firewall for trump, that your logic? That's a completely needless swipe.
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Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.
Spies to spy things. It's safe to assume that everyone with the power to do so is exploiting any advantage that they have.
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> We now have our own "Great Firewall" I don’t see anything about content filtering. Just transport integrity. The closest we come to that is the prohibition on apps, but that’s still an ocean away from censoring text messages mentioning the Tiananmen massacre.
It's fairly simple. Did the app you download have anti-American sentiment posted on it? Banned. It could have been Chinese propaganda after all. Same goes for video hosting, web hosting, etc.
I guess I'm confused. I clicked the link and read through it really quick. I didn't really have a lot of strong opinions. This seems to be a response to how powerful China is becoming and that's scary for many reasons. This almost seems like a natural reaction of one government trying to abuse the internet and another government trying to protect it's citizens. It might even be irresponsible for the U.S. not to react…
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I mean, I know that with less than 90 days before one of the largest absentee voting elections in the history of the nation that I would fire 23 USPS administrators on a Friday evening several days after admitting to congress to slowing down mail delivery. That seems reasonable. Right? https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/06/postma... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/07/postal-se...
Do administrators speed mail delivery?
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Why? Copy cats are normal, everybody copies things that are successful in other countries. How do you assure that the company that creates a new app "out of the blue" isn't secretly funded by China? Require a background check and federal approval before an app can be downloaded more than 1000 times?
You can't move around the many millions of dollars in advertising without the government being aware of it. Good old fashioned investigative work and arrest of anyone knowingly contributing to wirefraud is sufficient to stop clandestine apps from growing to the size of tiktok. Sort of like how the CFO of Huawei is currently in jail. Creating orwellian straw man arguments is not a productive method of conversation. Pl…
Why would you need to? I don't understand the point you're making. It's not about the money, it's about data, right? Presumably the Chinese aren't using Tik Tok to fund their government, they're happy to spend money on data collection. From the outside, you can't tell whether a company is collecting user data to give them to the Chinese intelligence service or just to engage in "good old American surveillance capitalism". That these kinds of operations can collect data and fund themselves is just the cherry on top.
My point is that if "location of development" team and "immediate source of funding" are the criteria, you might keep the average Chinese developer out that just wants to release his hobby app. But you're not keeping out anyone that's dedicated, has money to spend and can just do it in plain sight, because the actual acts are not the criteria you look at, because they're identical to the things your companies do (which they obviously don't want to stop from collecting data).
If the initiative was for simply protecting companies and individuals from tracking and spying, I'd be on board and I could easily see how that might have some success. But it's not, and short of forcibly removing anyone with Chinese heritage from the US and doing lie detector test on everyone else to make sure they're not secretly working for China, there's no way to keep anyone safe from Chinese data collection invasive anti-privacy companies while not interfering with the regular invasive anti-privacy companies. Well, maybe by looking at growth rate and use of dark patterns, the Chinese agents might fear being uncovered and won't go all out with the abuse...
> Creating orwellian straw man arguments is not a productive method of conversation. Please stop.
Not everybody is a Chinese agent. "We will build a wall, it'll be great, nobody will be able to come through, and China will pay for it" just doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
Oh jeez. No good can come from this Balkanization of the net. This is how Russia started its control. Same playbook.
China has already Balkanized their "Internet" for over 20 years now.
As it is, this just makes it seem like China was right this whole time and the US ideals of an open internet were a failure.
only the NSA is allowed to backdoor US networking hardware
I laughed, but also ... yes? As a lover of liberty I would much rather just my own government (by which I am ostensibly represented) have the ability to infringe on that liberty than 2 governments. I would want to support regulations that protect myself and neighbors from the influence of those other infringers, no?
The proper solutions to protect us from "China" are the same as the solutions to protect us from NSA - E2E encryption, P2P communication, decentralized namespaces, and making data transmission (ie trust) as non-interactive as possible.