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Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by HatchedLake721 » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:14 AM UTC

rumanator wrote: post #125

lotsofpulp wrote: post #119

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The entirety of my grandparents generation being able to Facetime their grandkids all over the world since 2010 isn’t a Veblen good. My non English fluent and tech illiterate family members can browse the internet and click on all the malware links without worrying about losing personal data or ruining their device. That’s not a Veblen good either. My time doing tech support going down to zero because the solution is…

> The entirety of my grandparents generation being able to Facetime their grandkids all over the world since 2010 isn’t a Veblen good. You are being disingenuous if you believe that Apple Facetime is the only or even dominant voice and/or video call system. WhatsApp alone has between 4 and 5 times the market share of Apple's FaceTime. You need to come up with another explanation. > My non English fluent and tech illi…

You’re missing the point. Apple democratized technology and made it extremely consumer friendly, so that grandparents or a 2 year old know how to use an iPad. Credit where credit’s due.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by foldr » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:14 AM UTC

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What do you find so interesting and where do you shop? I like Uniqlo and Muji but now that Uniqlo is available (in-store) in Chicago theres no need to buy it in Japan. I’m not particularly into fashion but I like mainstream but trendy clothes. I think Japanese fashion is less about the clothes themselves than the acceptance to let people wear what they want and and not judging. I think it’s more acceptable to match d…

One strap shoulder Man-bags are all the rage. They are pretty practical, especially when you can’t fit your checkbook-sized wallet in tiny pockets. But in the US it looks like you’re wearing a fanny pack. Especially true in SE Asia. I resisted the trend because it looks effeminate, like you're wearing a purse. Asian guys love them because they're super practical if you ride a motorbike or scooter tandem style. I thin…

> I resisted the trend because it looks effeminate

To be honest, it seems that in the most of US, merely being stylish is perceived as "effeminate" (for a man).

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by foldr » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:19 AM UTC

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Here are some examples of women’s clothing where I cannot think of the equivalent thing in a men’s clothing department: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1AawYy29TBuNjy0Fcq6zeiFXaW/Off... https://patternshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Tube-top-... http://images.asos-media.com/products/asos-cut-out-sleeve-on... https://cdn.tobi.com/product_images/lg/1/teal-kayla-ombre-ma... (That last one is a bit of a cheat because m…

The male equivalent of those styles can be found in the realm of gay fashion.

Not really. Are you thinking this through, or just making some kind of lazy "women's clothes = gay" connection? Most revealing/sexy clothes for men are much more casual than these styles.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by pembrook » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:20 AM UTC

mthoms wrote: post #130

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men fashion does not go out of style in 6 months (in 10 years, though, some trends do change). Also, Architecture, music and movies also have trends. Not a lot Brutalism projects are started today and westerns have been replaced by superhero movies. It does not make any of these projects pointless either.

There are trends in every creative field imaginable, that wasn't the point. The trends in fashion move the quickest and are completely, absolutely arbitrary . Fashion also dictates that still-functional products get discarded on a whim, unlike say, architecture.

This simply is not true. You may not know enough about food culture or architecture to see it, but those trends move just as quickly as the rest of human culture.

Still-functional products being discarded on a whim is basically the history of architecture.

The fact is, all of human culture is “arbitrary” and bad for the environment. Food, architecture, fashion, and civilization itself. Just because you don’t care about clothing specifically, doesn’t make it somehow worse than everything else we do.

The only thing that is good for the environment is becoming a nomadic hunter-gatherer and living off the land.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by swarnie_ » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:24 AM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #249

This problem seems to be US specific. If you look up YouTube street tours of some European countries or Japan or even Russia, you'll notice that the average person is still generally fashionable, certainly more so than in the US.

Maybe some enterprising young chap could bring mainstream fashion to the Xl - 6XL size ranges? That way the US could get involved.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by simonhamp » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:31 AM UTC

swarnie_ wrote: post #255

Razengan wrote: post #249

This problem seems to be US specific. If you look up YouTube street tours of some European countries or Japan or even Russia, you'll notice that the average person is still generally fashionable, certainly more so than in the US.

Maybe some enterprising young chap could bring mainstream fashion to the Xl - 6XL size ranges? That way the US could get involved.

But you can’t get a 10x margin when you need to use that much material... /s

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by virtualritz » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:41 AM UTC

clusterfish wrote: post #214

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Yes, but men’s fashion cycles run far longer than women, so we can buy higher quality clothing that lasts much longer. This also means custom clothing is very practical. I deal with a guy, his family has a factory in India. All the grades of fabric, styles, etc, all made custom based on my measurements. A few weeks later, it arrives. Most comfortable clothing available, and looks killer. He travels to me, or I go to…

You get custom made clothing cheaper than store clothing? That doesn't seem to be the norm pricing wise.

> You get custom made clothing cheaper than store clothing?

If you get it made in India or Asia this is the norm.

Long sleeved shirts from a good tailor in Saigon or Bangkok are 15-25 EUR p.P. for the tailoring. Then add 3-20 EUR for fabric – depending on what material you choose.

Once the tailor has your measurements on file you can either send your fabric of choice there and have the shirts be in your mail three weeks later or they send you pictures of fabrics they stock and you choose.

20% of my shirts are off-the-shelf (but all of them have been adjusted to fit me bette). The rest are tailor made.

100% of my trousers are tailor made. I never understood why any sane man would pay for pants that are pants (pun intended). Too tight, too low waist and too short at the ankles. It makes you look like you are the younger sibling from a poor family who inherited the clothes from the elder, taller brother. And you even paid for that eye-cancer-inducing disaster. ;)

I have a tailor in Berlin who charges 70 EUR for tailoring a pair of trousers. With fabric that means I pay less than 100 EUR usually. Which is totally competitive with off the shelf pricing. He charges 40 EUR for a new cut. Aka: if I show him a picture of a cut or photo he will make it for my measurements. This is a one-time cost though.

As an added plus I have extra pockets for change/coins and invisible pockets under the belt line which are great to stash anything pointy that will distort the shape of your leg if put into the normal pants (I e.g. put my keychain there when I go dancing tango).

And the craftsmanship (seam look/quality/longevity) is superior to anything I can buy off the shelf. Even expensive brands are commonly produced with lower quality nowadays. You pay for the better material and the brand but the seams and button stitching are still sub par.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by INTPenis » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:43 AM UTC

I see fashion every single day, people aren't under lock and key like what happened in China where they welded apartment doors shut from the outside, on at least one occasion.

Such a non-article that really shows how the media inflamed the whole influenza story.

It's their job to write. Writing stuff literally puts food on their table. Even when it's something as stupid as fashion industry collapsing.

An influenza season with a higher death rate than usual is a gold mine to them. A literal golden age of media.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by LandR » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:44 AM UTC

b112 wrote: post #141

on_and_off wrote: post #96

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there are tons more than 5 styles for guys (workwear, techwear, superfuture, dark, etc) but strongly agree that there are enormous differences in male vs female clothing trends. Male fashion is on something like a 10 years cycle and you can find tons of brands focusing on quality or durability. Female fashion seems to obsess about the latest trend and change dramatically every 3-months to a year. Probably lots of cul…

I've always believed that the pants are almost meaningless, it's the shirts that need to be different daily. So I used to have 8 pairs of pants, 2 colours total. Black and beige. Then, once a year, I'd go buy 2 more pairs of each colour. On a 'bad' year, I'd buy 4 pairs. EG, I'd rotate the worn out, always only having 8 pairs. This persisted until, 20 years later, the company that sold them went bankrupt. As my gut a…

Weird reading this in a country where pants = underwear.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by doix » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 8:45 AM UTC

xeromal wrote: post #227

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> Jeans are good example of this. It's cheap and practical clothing that lasts a long time. Mainstream jeans brands seem astronomically expensive to me.

I guess it depends. I buy levis which are the some of the cheapest decently quality jeans you can find. I'm not big on raw or selvedge denim so I mean decently trendy and ready to wear jeans. I can find a pair for around 100 or less depending on sales and those pairs can last me about 3-5 years. I think 100$ is a fair price for something that will last me that long. I have squatter's legs so the inner thigh grinds to…

> I have squatter's legs so the inner thigh grinds to a pulp on most brands but levi's lasts the longest.

My quads aren't even that big and yet I seem to have this problem. It only started after lifting for a few years and it drives me crazy. I seem to go through jeans every 3 years whereas before it felt like they would last a life time.