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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by hnarn »

seanwilson wrote: post #409
hnarn wrote: post #405

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Cruelty is subjective, so I'll play the vegan's advocate here since I'm not vegan myself: Dairy cows are forcibly inseminated and then used for their milk way beyond the time period they normally would produce milk. In many parts of the world they are kept in conditions which are cruel, and they may also suffer physically from this treatment (infections etc). In essence, dairy animals are treated like machines rather…

> I think most vegans would have no, or at least a lot less, problems with dairy production if it happened in a way where cows were treated very well What are you going to do with the cows after 5 years into their 20 year life span when they stop producing as much milk? I can't see any way you're going to make people against animal slaughter happy with the only practical option.

If you're going to approach every animal life as a profit calculation, completely ignoring the moral argument made by vegans, obviously the answer will always be what you expect it to be. There's no point in having an honest discussion if you phrase every question from your own assumptions of morality and practicality instead of asking open questions.

Also, I'm not a vegan so I'm not going to debate you on this.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

French here.

We always have milk at home, my 16 and 13 yo children drink it, or eat with muesli

One of them drinks pure milk, the other much less. I do it from time to time my wife rarely to never.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by partyboat1586 »

harel wrote: post #361
partyboat1586 wrote: post #149

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Try eating shredded carrots with coconut oil, olive oil and salt on an empty stomach once a day. In a couple of weeks try drinking milk again. If your milk intolerance is due to a bacterial overgrowth you should be able to tolerate it after that.

I find the taste of milk so abhorrent I rather drink piss than milk. I can only eat dairy after its been cooked.

I used to be the same. After the carrot therapy my tongue changed colour and milk tasted like the nectar of the gods.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by partyboat1586 »

mft_ wrote: post #404
partyboat1586 wrote: post #124

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Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. Have you ever felt tired and out of whack after eating fruit? Have you seen the size of people on a fruitarian diet? (Spoiler, they loose a dangerous amou…

> Sugar is readily accessible fuel, that's why you crave it. Complex carbohydrates and starches are the problem, not sugar. If you get a crash that's because you need to eat regularly, just like all the other primates. Fasting is an emergency state, not a normal one. If you get a 'crash', it's because your blood sugar level is too low. One way that this can happen is by eating refined (simple) carbs - aka sugars. The…

>One way that this can happen is by eating refined (simple) carbs - aka sugars.

Refined carbs are complex carbs not simple sugars. Fructose in fruit is a simple sugar, sucrose (table sugar) is a simple sugar. Bread, pasta and anything containing wheat is a complex refined carb. There are refined sugars however like high fructose corn syrup which btw doesn't have the same composition as normal fructose, hence the deleterious effects. Refined carbs cause insulin problems more than fructose from fruit, that's why you never feel bad after eating fruit but you can get a food coma after eating too much pasta. The reason is because your body releases the insulin before the complex carbs are fully broken down lowering your blood sugar to below normal levels. With fructose because it is so bioavailable your insulin and blood sugar spike at the same time, in sync, resulting in normal blood sugar levels and a stable mood and energy level. When you start eating cake is where you get into trouble because it contains, guess what... refined carbs in the form of flour. That's why you feel just as bad after eating a lot of bread as a lot of cake despite one having a lot more sucrose. Sucrose is fairly similar to fructose. It's the not sucrose that's the problem, it's the complex carbs.

>Not sure what an anecdotal observation of people on a weird diet proves.

These people pride themselves on eating 3000+ calories a day and are dangerously skinny. What I'm saying is you can't get fat eating just fruit. These people are also incredibly unhealthy and I wouldn't recommend anyone eats like that but I think it does prove the point that the sugar in fruit is not the same as normal sugar.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by nojvek »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #401
nojvek wrote: post #394

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Wait is bread and pasta, bad or good? I love bread and pasta.

How do you feel after eating lots of bread and pasta?

I seldom eat too much of anything, but bread makes me glee with happiness. I don’t think I’d like to live in a world without bread. I love how it smells, I love how it tastes, I love how satisfied I feel after eating freshly baked bread.

Probably not the answer you’re expecting but damn I love avocado toast, pizza, naan, french toast, burger, croissants and any form of bread.

I don’t care if I die a few years early, I love bread.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by scotty79 »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

Hello from Poland. Milk is actually the item that runs out fastest in my home. I'm drinking half a cup with each coffee which I can drink more than 5 a day since I discovered decaf. Sometimes I drink pure milk when I'm little hungry and thirsty but not enough to bother with a proper meal.

We were given glass of boiled milk every day at school, and I don't remember any kid being lactose intolerant. I didn't like it back then. I prefer cold.

When I'm eating cooked buckwheat grains, glass of milk suits me best to wash it down.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

ianai wrote: post #174
cribbles wrote: post #145

I'm sympathetic to marketing counterfactuals, so I wanted to like this article, but its claims did not sway me. - The appalling environmental footprint of the dairy industry was never addressed. - The canola oil claims cited were nowhere near conclusive (see twanvl and NotOscarWilde's comments below). - The nutritional comparison seemed to me to be more or less trivial. Okay, it's got a higher glycemic index and simi…

For all the talk about fat content and quality, the topic of hormones in milk should be discussed. Cows load their milk up with hormones to stimulate growth in their calves. We’re not calves and don’t need stimulating. Further, modern dairy farms pump hormones into cows to induce higher milk production-thus more hormones make it into the milk in the container. There are even morphine-like compounds in milk and dairy…

Farmers pumping their cows full of hormones for milk production is a thing of the past, for the majority of US dairies.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

Integrape wrote: post #292
gridlockd wrote: post #258

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> Ref “your body in balance” by Barnard A vegan neurologist might be a bit biased... What does he have to say about plant-based hormones such as phytoestrogens? Also, what is wrong with a little bit of morphine in your food?

I for one always reach for a piece of cheese when I've had a stressful day, it really takes the edge off.

It's actually a combination of the tyrosine (an amino acid) and the high fat content that makes cheese so satisfying.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

asfginino wrote: post #316
tlow wrote: post #283

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False. Lattes ARE most definitely bad for you when they contain 30-40 grams of sugar or almost 3 TABLESPOONS.[1] [1] https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/414/hot?parent=%2Fdri...

That drink is a latte, but a latte isn't that drink. A latte is made with two ingredients: espresso and milk. Anything else is a variation.

I prefer unsweetened lattes. For some reason sweet just clashes with the mouthfeel and flavor to me.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

seanwilson wrote: post #76

"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk givin…

A cow does lactate for around 10 months before it would need to have a calf again. Also, a cow produces faaar more milk then one calf needs. Source: live on a dairy, grew up feeding calves. Used milk replacer for a while but then switched to plain milk cause it's healthier for the calves (no surprise)
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