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Oatly: The New Coke?

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by daneel_w »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #162
daneel_w wrote: post #72

I'm on-board with the moral aspect of minimizing support for the dairy industry (though this topic is oddly never brought up), however, I just don't like the taste of Oatly's products. They are indeed too sweet. There are better-tasting oat beverage brands out there which declare less sugar (and without salt for balance). Soy milk works great, too.

Which other brands would you recommend? I like the creaminess of Oatly - works well in coffee. Other brands I tried (Alpro) were a bit watery and some use guam, which is an OK thickener ingredient, but doesn't go with milk alternatives in my view. Maybe I'll look into making Oat milk - seems like a quick and easy thing to do.

The Swedish producer Trensums Food makes great oat drink varieties that I know are sold under different brands across Europe. I'm unfortunately only familiar with one of the Swedish brands, Coop.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by Integrape »

gridlockd wrote: post #258
ianai wrote: post #174

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For all the talk about fat content and quality, the topic of hormones in milk should be discussed. Cows load their milk up with hormones to stimulate growth in their calves. We’re not calves and don’t need stimulating. Further, modern dairy farms pump hormones into cows to induce higher milk production-thus more hormones make it into the milk in the container. There are even morphine-like compounds in milk and dairy…

> Ref “your body in balance” by Barnard A vegan neurologist might be a bit biased... What does he have to say about plant-based hormones such as phytoestrogens? Also, what is wrong with a little bit of morphine in your food?

I for one always reach for a piece of cheese when I've had a stressful day, it really takes the edge off.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by mgbmtl »

317070 wrote: post #266
ejolto wrote: post #197

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> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. Yeah what is up with that? 12 oz is over 340 ml, who puts that much milk in their coffee? I had to measure the volume of my coffee cup, it's 250 ml or 8.8 oz. I usually drink my coffee black, but if I do have milk in it it is usually a tenth of what the author uses. Unless the author is drinking a quarter gallon of…

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

Not judging, but around me, it's usually rare to drink milk after the age of 8 (my kid stopped liking milk around that time, and most of their friends too).

We do eat a lot of yogourt and cheese. The province use to over-produce milk and there was so much advertising to consume it. Everyone kind of got fed up I guess.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by tlow »

cribbles wrote: post #145

I'm sympathetic to marketing counterfactuals, so I wanted to like this article, but its claims did not sway me. - The appalling environmental footprint of the dairy industry was never addressed. - The canola oil claims cited were nowhere near conclusive (see twanvl and NotOscarWilde's comments below). - The nutritional comparison seemed to me to be more or less trivial. Okay, it's got a higher glycemic index and simi…

False.

> At worst the product has a pretty comparable nutritional portfolio to cow milk

FTA: "Of all the different kinds of sugars you can eat, maltose has the highest glycemic index, with a rating of 105 out of 100.

"Lactose, the sugar in cow’s milk, has a GI of 46."

It is incorrect to call 105 and 46 "comparable".

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by tlow »

airstrike wrote: post #286
tlow wrote: post #283

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False. Lattes ARE most definitely bad for you when they contain 30-40 grams of sugar or almost 3 TABLESPOONS.[1] [1] https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/414/hot?parent=%2Fdri...

Lattes aren't defined by that specific recipe served at Starbucks.

Surely they are. They are one possible example.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by pier25 »

317070 wrote: post #266
ejolto wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. Yeah what is up with that? 12 oz is over 340 ml, who puts that much milk in their coffee? I had to measure the volume of my coffee cup, it's 250 ml or 8.8 oz. I usually drink my coffee black, but if I do have milk in it it is usually a tenth of what the author uses. Unless the author is drinking a quarter gallon of…

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I'm not grandparent but no one drinks pure milk in my environment.

I've only seen that in American movies (I'm from Europe).

I have a friend who used to drink milk as a teenager and had to stop because it caused some complication. This was 20 years ago, I don't remember the details.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by kwhitefoot »

schmidt87 wrote: post #126
flyinglizard wrote: post #107

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I was specifically talking about dairy farming. Pork, chicken and beef all have their own issues. The average USA farm size is about 220 cows vs. about 70 cows in France, and the practices used in Europe as a whole are more humane (my numbers are from closed market studies published by IFCN). These animals are very well monitored and cared for. I wouldn't want to change place with them, but then I also wouldn't trade…

I agree that cows are better off in France, but this is an anomaly.

They are to some extent better off in Norway too, although their lot should still be improved.

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Post by pb7 »

on_and_off wrote: post #272
goatinaboat wrote: post #261

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really drinking milk with a splash of coffee Lots of people do this. It's called a latte. Or for hipsters, a "flat white". Or any mocha-frappa-chino equivalent has a lot of milk and cream in it.

flat white and latte are 2 different drinks.

Similar amounts of milk prepared differently. It’s still not the difference between a cup full of milk and a splash of milk.

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Post by GuB-42 »

seanwilson wrote: post #76

"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk givin…

That probably should be taught at school. That's the way farms work. Animals are slaughtered so you can eat them.

The reason I think it should be taught at school is first because it basic knowledge. Farms employ a significant portion of the population of most countries, and that's what puts food on the table and keeps you alive. That's pretty important.

Another reason is that school can teach that with a neutral point of view. Not like extremists who will describe any farm work involving animals as torture, and not like the interested food industry who wants you to forget that yes, animals are slaughtered to feed you.

Personally, as a meat eater, I think that realizing that an animal died for your food helps respecting it. By that I mean don't waste it, cook it properly, appreciate the taste, and of course, prefer respectful farming practices as much as you can.

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Post by pb7 »

tlow wrote: post #295
airstrike wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lattes aren't defined by that specific recipe served at Starbucks.

Surely they are. They are one possible example.

Salads aren’t bad because McDonald’s gives you one with a dressing with 900 calories in it.
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