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Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by Tade0 »

dominotw wrote: post #83
the8472 wrote: post #38

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They knew that there was a continuous risk of a pandemic and prepared for one happening eventually . Just like we know there's a low risk of an entire server room going up in flames/water damage/lightning/getting hit by a truck driving into a building and that's why we have offsite backups even though we won't know when something is going to happen.

> They knew that there was a continuous risk of a pandemic and prepared for one happening eventually. What else did they prepare for. Is this public knowledge?

It's just that COVID-19 is the third coronavirus to cause an epidemic this century - after SARS and MERS.

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Post by tomglynch »

wcoenen wrote: post #91
user_501238901 wrote: post #75

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There basically wasn't a proper "modern day" pandemic before this. The previous one was the spanish flu in 1918 which was very quickly forgotten due to a much larger pointless massacre (world wars) Air travel increase is a big factor why it got so bad so quickly, even in the past two decades basically everything has changed. We have hundreds millions of people basically teleporting between continents every day.

> We have hundreds millions of people basically teleporting between continents every day That's hyperbole. In 2019 there were 4.5 billion passengers boarding a flight[1]. Divide by 365 days and you get on the order of 10 million per day, most of which will not be intercontinental. I don't disagree about the amount of air travel nowadays facilitating pandemics, just wanted to get the numbers straight. [1] https://www.…

You are arguing a very minor point.

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Post by ghaff »

Ancapistani wrote: post #57
taurath wrote: post #18

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(All comments on culture US centric) - This thinking is why the men’s section is 1/4 as large as the women’s in most stores. Culturally for men clothing is supposed to be above all practical. There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). Contrast this with the women’s section. Women have an expectation to express themselves and their personality…

> There are 5 genres of men’s clothes - business (pressed shirts, suits), casual, workout, skater, and comfort (hoodie). There’s quite a bit of variation within those. Where I live, “casual” these days is usually something like Columbia PFG - the epitome of “dad clothes”, as my wife tells me. I tend to wear that pretty much exclusively. I substitute jeans for the shorts in winter and buy a new leather jacket about ev…

Between business and casual, there's definitely "business casual" which is pretty standard uniform for many business people these days--think khakis + button down for men and either boating shoes or loafers of some sort. Which is very closely related to a lot of "preppy" outfits going back to the 80s. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Official_Preppy_Handbook

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by Tade0 »

Nursie wrote: post #87
spaetzleesser wrote: post #34

I am getting pretty tired of sweatpants but regular pants feel uncomfortable while working from home. Does anybody know some pants that are reasonably comfortable but still a little stylish?

>I am getting pretty tired of sweatpants but regular pants feel uncomfortable while working from home. No pants? You're working from home after all... Only half kidding, my morning work uniform now is my cotton dressing gown ('bath robe' in US English?) I tend to get dressed around lunchtime. Vive la difference :)

No pants? You're working from home after all...

I used to work for a guy who applied such a dress code in the office.

On any sign of customers approaching he would bolt to his office and put some pants on.

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Post by jcranmer »

user_501238901 wrote: post #75
chrisseaton wrote: post #58

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> They knew that there was a continuous risk of a pandemic But I think so did every country. Wasn't global pandemic at the top of almost every country's national security risk register? They knew it was likely, and they knew it was high-risk. I know for a fact it was at the top of the UK's public national security risk register. You're perpetuating a silly myth that major western countries didn't know this was coming…

There basically wasn't a proper "modern day" pandemic before this. The previous one was the spanish flu in 1918 which was very quickly forgotten due to a much larger pointless massacre (world wars) Air travel increase is a big factor why it got so bad so quickly, even in the past two decades basically everything has changed. We have hundreds millions of people basically teleporting between continents every day.

There have been 3 flu pandemics since 1918: 1957, 1968, 2009. In addition, cholera and AIDS have had non-influenza pandemics in the same timeframe, and there's a clutch of infectious diseases with little spread that qualify as pandemics by the definition of sustained spread in two countries in different regions of the world (e.g., mumps). MERS might also qualify by the definition.

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user_501238901 wrote: post #75
chrisseaton wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They knew that there was a continuous risk of a pandemic But I think so did every country. Wasn't global pandemic at the top of almost every country's national security risk register? They knew it was likely, and they knew it was high-risk. I know for a fact it was at the top of the UK's public national security risk register. You're perpetuating a silly myth that major western countries didn't know this was coming…

There basically wasn't a proper "modern day" pandemic before this. The previous one was the spanish flu in 1918 which was very quickly forgotten due to a much larger pointless massacre (world wars) Air travel increase is a big factor why it got so bad so quickly, even in the past two decades basically everything has changed. We have hundreds millions of people basically teleporting between continents every day.

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Post by spodek »

For anyone who cares about sustainability and how textiles and fashion relate, the documentary The True Cost will change everything for you. It's available free online: https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-true-cost.

The industry pollutes and oppresses beyond what you think.

Re: Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed

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Post by wott »

HenryBemis wrote: post #93
Larrikin wrote: post #71

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This kind of thinking is why I tend to buy as close to a full years worth of clothing whenever I make a trip out to Tokyo. Even in Chicago relatively fashionable men's clothing shops are few and far between

On the Europe side of the map, I find the same practicality in clothes when I shop from Finland. They too have all the brands one expects to see, but Finnish people (please any Finn comment/suggest) are super practical when it comes to clothing. Finns and Danes are my idols on simplicity, practicality and a hint of elegance.

> Finns and Danes are my idols on simplicity, practicality and a hint of elegance.

Jesus... I never thought I'd ever read that Finns could be someone's idols when it comes to elegance. But if you fancy wearing sports overwear [0] fitted in your rubber boots, after all...

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[0] don't forget to buy the exact same model for your partner, and wear it at the same time, if you want to pass as a true Finnish couple.

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Post by VectorLock »

stevenicr wrote: post #109
kurthr wrote: post #82

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Yes, but Jeans are part of the collapse now and considered formal for creatives with Levi's down 62% and doing layoffs. I thought "formality" was bizarre as well, but apparently their target demo don't consider the older skinny-jeans, and the new high-waisted mom-jeans to be as comfortable as Lulus... who'd have thunk it? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/28/jeans-sal... I suspect that it's a long term…

After buying mostly levi's jeans for 30 years I started noticing huge differences in quality / durability.. upon inspecting the waist seams I noticed the 'made in pakistan / mexico' and other labels of origin. The same style/numbers from different years had different fabric thicknesses and were made in various places, and they did not last as long. So I started to question this "American brand". Then they started goi…

I had a very similar experience with Adidas shoes. For a long time (~15 years maybe) I was pretty much exclusively buying Adidas shell-toes for my daily footwear. They were the most comfortable well fitting shoes and fit my wide feet well. It was nice not having to spend much time looking or trying on shoes - every 2 or even 3 years when they wore out I'd buy a new pair and they fit just like the last one.

The last pair I bought fell apart in 3 months, the ball of my foot eating through the interior material in that short span. I kept wondering "what changed" and then I looked at the label in the tongue. Different country of manufacture than the last 2 pairs I bought (I'd usually keep my old pair as a backup since they typically still had some life left in them, despite the sole wearing down)

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