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Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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It is an opportunity cost though, no? That wealth could have resulted in domestic progress. If I am making Jeans in 1995 in America, but in 2000 I lay off workers, shut down cotton fields, dying processes, etc. and off shore it, while hiring 2 people instead of 50 - to manage suppliers, that indeed, unquestionably has resulted in loss of wealth. Can you explain how this would be a zero sum game? I know @naval keeps t…

My comment was more that it's not a zero sum game and that a significant part of China's growth was not at the expense of the US (but part of it obviously was). By offshoring the manufacturing of jeans, American jobs were lost, correct. But presumably the cost of manufacturing was lowered which opened up new markets (can charge less and still make a profit) and those profits flowed back into the US. And at the same t…

Pretty Much - I seem to remember an Economist article talking about how the 2000's saw some of the largest gains for the middle class globally, with China's middle class being one of the contributing factors.

But you're right, jobs are not zero sum either. They create new jobs, which in turn create other new jobs, and so forth. If they didn't, we'd all pretty much be unemployed except for farmers.

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Why doesn't Twitter just resurrect Vine? They literally have all the source code.

Maybe management don't want to admit to shareholders that they made a horrible mistake.

The brand is dead, which is important for social network apps. Relaunching would peak interest for a few weeks before quickly becoming a second mistake.

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I actually prefer Twitter than MSFT After all, they had Vine back then

and managed it terribly, and shut it down to the disappointment of many. MSFT is a much better business, and have the cash to back a long strategy imho.

Microsoft also mismanaged skype. They're an enterprise software company, not B2C.

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Do you see the irony of your posting a cynical, throwaway comment like this while complaining of toxicity on other platforms?

I did not see the parent comment and throwaway. It’s actually a valid insight that there are some alignment between the two platforms. Both appeal to the lower forms of entertainment. In a way they appeal to the same eyeballs. People looking to waste time with little long term benefit. They are both “quick fix” dopamine platforms. So actually this comment is insightful. Is it cynical? Absolutely. But being cynical is…

All entertainment is for dopamine and serotonin. Short form media has just made it more efficient.

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It's worth constantly re-iterating that Vine [1] was shutdown by Twitter in 2017 back when Twitter was losing a lot of cash. It was available for any tech company to purchase for pennies on the dollar and was losing $10 million/month to run [2]. Vine was very popular and a lot of people were very disappointed when it was shutdown. It predated TikTok and Musical.ly and certainly had the vast majority of users for shor…

Don’t conflate ByteDance and TikTok. ByteDance makes the vast majority of its revenue from a mobile feed app called TouTiao and Chinese-TikTok called Douyin. It would be utterly insane if TikTok was making $5.6 billion a quarter already, but its likely not even at a tenth of that revenue yet.

Thanks for the correction. Both the cited CNBC and Reuters article made me presume the ByteDance earnings were for TikTok and Douyin combined, but I didn't know about Toutiao. Thanks again. Pity I can't update my post because it's closed for edits.

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The most toxic and the dumbest social network merged together. What could go wrong?

Do you see the irony of your posting a cynical, throwaway comment like this while complaining of toxicity on other platforms?

Why cynical? I think we have a big problem with all the social networks as they are. Censorship, privacy issues, dangerous political campaigns, etc.

Why would merging two of them would make it any better?

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And US tech companies will be the big loser, if the other countries are going to apply the same national security argument to themselves. Who would they sacrifice then? Obviously, it will be the Big Techs.

Aren't Google and FB already banned in China?

Not exactly, they basically left because they didn’t want to comply with China’s censorship laws.

Project Dragonfly was Google’s attempt to re-enter, but bad publicity forced them to stop.

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I read somewhere that it is difficult to get money out of China if you set up a business there, BMW/VW have been denied withdrawal of funds from China since 2016. At that rate, China seems like a pretty poor place to put your money. Doesn't matter if their domestic technological pace is impressive. Can anyone honestly think that in 10 years, they would trust the CCP enough to buy property or invest there?

US and China are both safe to invest if you ask me. Their economies are big and militarily strong. I would put some money in both countries.

The difference is how you consider money on the paper. The problem with China is that you are limited in how you can spend the money you put there; if one of the choices they give suits you, great; otherwise it would be a very bad idea since it would only continue to get harder to make use of the “safe” assets you “own”.

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Capital is only safe in the US if you respect it's economic, technological, and military primacy. Ask Russia or Iran if they would be willing to store their wealth in the US. Iran's on a permanent blacklist for nationalising US economic interests and challenging American military influence in the middle East, and Russia too for daring to use its military on Ukraine in a world where only the US has the prerogative to…

I read somewhere that it is difficult to get money out of China if you set up a business there, BMW/VW have been denied withdrawal of funds from China since 2016. At that rate, China seems like a pretty poor place to put your money. Doesn't matter if their domestic technological pace is impressive. Can anyone honestly think that in 10 years, they would trust the CCP enough to buy property or invest there?

Big reason why the USD is still the world's reserve currency despite China being the bigger trading partner for many countries. The US is willing to let allied countries play freely in its financial markets and economy, China's not as generous.

Frankly, if you have to pick between being aligned with the US or China the US gives more goodies away than China does. Full access to US markets, military umbrella, and no obnoxious sense of inherent superiority over smaller countries that's displayed overtly. The only benefit to allying with China is that China doesn't demand political reform. Everything else is very meh, especially if you're already using America's preferred political system.

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There are already separate apps for China and non-China users (and android is split across Europe).

> and android is split across Europe What does that mean?

There’s one app that’s available in some European countries and a separate one for others.

I don’t remember the exact breakdown, but I believe one covers some of the Asian countries (where Google Play is available)

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