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Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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> Translated from Chinglish. aka If you can do it then you should go up and do it. It's used against people who criticize others' work, especially when the criticizer it not that much better. Often followed by "no can no BB", which means "if you can't do it then don't even criticize it".

For those still wondering, 'In Pekingese, "BB" apparently means "nag; complain"' according to: https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=12358

Complain in a jibberish way

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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It's worth constantly re-iterating that Vine [1] was shutdown by Twitter in 2017 back when Twitter was losing a lot of cash. It was available for any tech company to purchase for pennies on the dollar and was losing $10 million/month to run [2]. Vine was very popular and a lot of people were very disappointed when it was shutdown. It predated TikTok and Musical.ly and certainly had the vast majority of users for shor…

> Vine

The secret sauce of TikTok isn't the availability of short video. Its short video with the world's library of music. TikTok is about music videos.

More importantly, Twitter would have messed it up. If Vine would have lasted until 2020 it would be filled with riots, violence and left wing politics - a reflection of Jack Dorsey (and staff's) attitude. Just like twitter.

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

#53

It's worth constantly re-iterating that Vine [1] was shutdown by Twitter in 2017 back when Twitter was losing a lot of cash. It was available for any tech company to purchase for pennies on the dollar and was losing $10 million/month to run [2]. Vine was very popular and a lot of people were very disappointed when it was shutdown. It predated TikTok and Musical.ly and certainly had the vast majority of users for shor…

> Vine The secret sauce of TikTok isn't the availability of short video. Its short video with the world's library of music. TikTok is about music videos. More importantly, Twitter would have messed it up. If Vine would have lasted until 2020 it would be filled with riots, violence and left wing politics - a reflection of Jack Dorsey (and staff's) attitude. Just like twitter.

Are you trying to frame that as a bad thing? Twitter's been fantastic for seeing raw footage of police brutality and protest documentation, as well as organizing demonstrations.

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

#54
The United States' brand is that we are an open, dynamic, stable place to do business in. If you have capital its safe here because of our respect of the rule of law, and private property rights. We should strive to be the best place on earth to do business in. We are an open country and we benefit from being open. We benefit from competition. We are literally richer by definition - when business like TikTok choose to operate in the United States.

The decision to force transfer of business undermines our country's brand and our reputation. It's sad that Twitter is participating in this shake down.

I posted this in another thread and colorfully illustrates that Twitter is no better than what they accuse TikTok of being.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24095334

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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I don’t get how twitter and msft could buy just the US operations of a company like tiktok... like do the developers and PMs still work in China and then twitter just helps maintain the servers. Or does the app diverge into 2 apps at that point with 2 separate dev teams?

There are already separate apps for China and non-China users (and android is split across Europe).

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

#56

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> Vine The secret sauce of TikTok isn't the availability of short video. Its short video with the world's library of music. TikTok is about music videos. More importantly, Twitter would have messed it up. If Vine would have lasted until 2020 it would be filled with riots, violence and left wing politics - a reflection of Jack Dorsey (and staff's) attitude. Just like twitter.

Are you trying to frame that as a bad thing? Twitter's been fantastic for seeing raw footage of police brutality and protest documentation, as well as organizing demonstrations.

I suspect Twitter would curate TikTok differently from the current Chinese teams. More tolerance for non-cisgender, less for politics.

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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Why doesn't Twitter just resurrect Vine? They literally have all the source code.

The founder of Vine already launched a new short-form video app similar to TikTok called Byte...

Byte never really took off [1]. I’m not a user so I can’t tell if it’s the experience or the existence of TikTok...

[1] https://appfigures.com/resources/insights/twia-20200807

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

#58

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How about you make something smarter? You can you up, no can no BB

What does "You can you up, no can no BB" mean? Is it a phrase from SV culture?

It's a fatalism, escapism and defeatism catch phrase in China, boils down to: if you can't single-handedly and immediately change the status quo or make it better, then you are not entitled to judge/criticize, shut up and eat the shit up.

I suggest an immediate ban.

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

#59

The United States' brand is that we are an open, dynamic, stable place to do business in. If you have capital its safe here because of our respect of the rule of law, and private property rights. We should strive to be the best place on earth to do business in. We are an open country and we benefit from being open. We benefit from competition. We are literally richer by definition - when business like TikTok choose t…

There are a lot of people out there who think that the Russians spending a couple hundred thousand dollars on shitty Facebook ads was an intolerable affront to democracy. So I have to imagine there would be a lot of support for not allowing a real geopolitical rival to completely control the next big social media platform.

Re: Twitter, TikTok Have Held Preliminary Talks About Possible Combination

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> adding a news feed algorithm to keep up with a competitor would not have been that hard I'm not convinced this is true. TikTok's algorithmic "For You Page" is astonishingly good. Somehow TikTok manages to zero in on stuff relevant to users extremely quickly, and without relying on spamming a lot of general interest popular content. I created a TikTok account recently and literally within minutes I was getting an ex…

Try opening YouTube in an incognito tab and start watching a few videos (on say, cooking). You'll notice the recommended videos on the homepage gets very accurate very fast. The algorithms behind recommendation engines are well understood. Companies can and do invest huge amounts into making their algorithms better and it yes, it definitely takes a lot of effort to tweak and refine the algorithm to make the overall e…

Twitter does not appear to have a recommendation algorithm worth a damn.
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