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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by Isamu »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

Japan, in particular after a hot spring bath. In fact they will have vending machines full of single portion milk bottles for you to enjoy.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by berkes »

enkid wrote: post #326
predictmktegirl wrote: post #321

I'm not convinced that Oatly is so tremendously bad, all things considered, and I forgive a little marketing-speak so long as they are being honest and forthcoming when engaged. That being said, I find the amount of "good for you" literature and products out there to simply be overwhelming. Do I want to know about what I put in my body? Sure. Do I want a PhD in nutrition? Umm... There is a simple rule I follow which…

I think for the most part your philosophy is a good one, if you can afford it (in money and time). The problem is that for many people, healthy foods aren't as accessible. It takes more time to cook your own food, or places that sell fresh foods are not close by. Or you don't have time to make grocery trips more than once every two weeks. If you are a single parent working a full time job, it's going to be very diffi…

I only partly agree.

After 10+ years of baking my own bread, for example, it takes under 5 mins to drop my selfmade premix, or mix it there and then, in the bread machine. Preparing a sourdough and baking it off in the morning, takes a few times a few minutes, spread out.

Point is, baking bread, takes me less time than going to the bakers. And is cheaper. Same for making my own jams, tomato sauce, pizza, syrup, honey, veggie garden, veggy burgers, wine, beer. It all takes time, but mostly planning. Saves money if done right.

I realize that I'm priviledged with having space and opportunity to try and learn it all, but that is also because I pursued precisely that freedom and opportunity.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by azinman2 »

Forbo wrote: post #262
ianai wrote: post #178

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There’s also Elmhurst - though more expensive. It’s basically just water and oats and maybe some salt. They list the number of ingredients on the label though for easy selection as some have more.

I've been making my own oat milk on occasion. I just got some 80 micron nut milk bags (at least two, I double strain) and use the recipe found here: https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/ The hardest part is figuring out just how long you need to blend it for. It took me three batches to get it just right. The first was too thin (didn't blend long enough), the second too slimy (blended too long). It's dirt cheap…

If it settles, do you get a consistent texture when drinking it? Ever tried to foam it for a latte?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by milankragujevic »

eyko wrote: post #304
317070 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

Eastern European, I drink milk (though lactose free, I like it but am lactose intolerant) either by itself (cold) or with a croissant or something similar. It is pretty common here for people to drink milk by itself. I was unaware people only consumed milk with their coffee, that is strange to me.

Also, question to people who only drink milk with coffee: Do you buy small processed pouches of milk for one cup of coffee, or do you drink enough coffee to use up a 1L (~4 "cups" in US lingo) packaging of milk before it goes bad in the fridge?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by klipt »

neltnerb wrote: post #323
sillysaurusx wrote: post #315

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It's absolutely fascinating to read these replies! We have a very diverse set of people here. I had no idea that people didn't drink milk on its own. Apparently some Europeans don't. I eat cereal mostly to drink milk. If Oatly was a good substitute, I'd probably have started using it. (I haven't tried it yet.) 340ml is 0.08 gallons. That's consistent with "about a bowl of cereal."

I've seen a bunch of sides of it in the US. In the midwest where I grew up parts of my family required children to drink a glass of milk because the milk-industry propaganda at the time said it was important for kids to drink a bunch of milk for bones and growth and other stuff that was never true and was known to never be true. But we didn't have the internet yet, so how do you fact check it? The TV said so. I do se…

Lactose intolerance is actually the original state for (adult) humans, while lactase persistence is an evolved adaption in cultures that drink a lot of unfermented dairy.

Which kind of proves that dairy is a significant enough part of many cultures' diet that it caused an evolutionary change! But these days you can buy lactase very cheaply in pill form, so really anyone can "have" the adaptation.

And many cultures with genetic lactose intolerance still consume a lot of fermented dairy.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by zabardasth »

I'm reminded of the scene in the "Last Emperor" when the young Emperor Puyi is weaned at a much later age from breast milk.

Have there been any studies on long term consumption of breast milk, well into adulthood? If you think about it, breast milk has many minerals and important nutrients, including endocannabinoids like 2-AG.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by potench »

meddlepal wrote: post #275
on_and_off wrote: post #272

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flat white and latte are 2 different drinks.

Thats exactly what a hipster coffee drinker would say.

Google says a flat white doesn’t have milk foam. So 1/3 less ingredients than a latte. A latte, cappuccino, and macchiato all seem way more similar. I’m here to argue that coffee is more normcore than hipster.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by bitexploder »

weego wrote: post #224
bitexploder wrote: post #182

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Not to mention Glycemic Index of foods is misleading. If you have a lot of fiber in your gut it slows down the digestion of everything. GI can’t be used in isolation. It’s useful to know, but Oatly also has a lot of fiber in it. I am less keen on the Canola oil though.

No only that, its only relevant if you have diabetes/pre-diabetic markers. If you're not then it's as relevant to you as being concerned about lactose if you're not lactose intolerant.

It’s relevant, but also easy to measure. GI is a guess at what the product will do to your blood sugar. A diet high in fiber they included oatly with a meal is going to give a very different insulin response than oatly in isolation which will likely be different again when compared to pure maltose. I am not diabetic and had fun measuring my blood sugar for a while. Full meals with a lot of fiber, even if they included high GI foods didn’t do a lot to my blood sugar compared to high GI foods in isolation. So, as a diabetic, you just have to know how your body handles some foods and how best to consume them (or not).

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by capitalsigma »

tlow wrote: post #294
cribbles wrote: post #145

I'm sympathetic to marketing counterfactuals, so I wanted to like this article, but its claims did not sway me. - The appalling environmental footprint of the dairy industry was never addressed. - The canola oil claims cited were nowhere near conclusive (see twanvl and NotOscarWilde's comments below). - The nutritional comparison seemed to me to be more or less trivial. Okay, it's got a higher glycemic index and simi…

False. > At worst the product has a pretty comparable nutritional portfolio to cow milk FTA: "Of all the different kinds of sugars you can eat, maltose has the highest glycemic index, with a rating of 105 out of 100. "Lactose, the sugar in cow’s milk, has a GI of 46." It is incorrect to call 105 and 46 "comparable".

"High GI == bad" also seems like an oversimplification. A snicker's bar has a GI of 43: http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=1774&ak=deta....
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