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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by roywiggins »

devmunchies wrote: post #228
bitexploder wrote: post #186

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Picking a nit: “Lattes are bad for you” come now. No food is inherently “bad”. In moderation or in a balanced diet you can regularly eat some amount of “bad” food and remain perfectly healthy. I do agree they aren’t a health food but I dislike “good” and “bad”. I think healthier and unhealthier is a much better axis for food, and making choices around food.

You have it backwards. No food is inherently “good” for you. Most people are better off skipping meals until they absolutely need nutrients. There’s toxins in all food.

There's toxins in all air, but we don't hold our breath until we need to breathe...

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by on_and_off »

goatinaboat wrote: post #261
ejolto wrote: post #197

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> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. Yeah what is up with that? 12 oz is over 340 ml, who puts that much milk in their coffee? I had to measure the volume of my coffee cup, it's 250 ml or 8.8 oz. I usually drink my coffee black, but if I do have milk in it it is usually a tenth of what the author uses. Unless the author is drinking a quarter gallon of…

really drinking milk with a splash of coffee Lots of people do this. It's called a latte. Or for hipsters, a "flat white". Or any mocha-frappa-chino equivalent has a lot of milk and cream in it.

flat white and latte are 2 different drinks.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by neeleshs »

goatinaboat wrote: post #264
grumple wrote: post #263

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12 oz of milk though? My research says a latte contains about 6oz. Fraps probably contain less (mostly ice).

They come in a bucket if you go to Starbucks

There is also a "short" version, but you have to explicitly ask for it. It's not on the standard size menu

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by rconti »

ysavir wrote: post #166
cribbles wrote: post #145

I'm sympathetic to marketing counterfactuals, so I wanted to like this article, but its claims did not sway me. - The appalling environmental footprint of the dairy industry was never addressed. - The canola oil claims cited were nowhere near conclusive (see twanvl and NotOscarWilde's comments below). - The nutritional comparison seemed to me to be more or less trivial. Okay, it's got a higher glycemic index and simi…

> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. It's true that a portion that size is bad for you. Lattes are bad for you. Like many people, though, I only rarely use milk substitutes to add a dash of not-coffee to coffee that would otherwise be too hot or too burnt. Guess I shouldn't be concerned? Maybe you shouldn't be, but others might. I was regularly using ~…

My current favorite is Oatly, but I've also had a half dozen others. It's worth noting that Oatly also has a barista blend, which loses some sugar in favor of fat. Likely the Califa is the same way; more oil, less sugar.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by meddlepal »

on_and_off wrote: post #272
goatinaboat wrote: post #261

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really drinking milk with a splash of coffee Lots of people do this. It's called a latte. Or for hipsters, a "flat white". Or any mocha-frappa-chino equivalent has a lot of milk and cream in it.

flat white and latte are 2 different drinks.

Thats exactly what a hipster coffee drinker would say.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by tlow »

The article makes great points. The most important one is that the carbohydrate content of Oatly is significantly greater than milk with a much higher GI sugar. It has a different sugar formulation which has double the impact (GI) on blood sugar as compared to Lactose (milk sugar). This alone makes it an extremely unhealthy choice as drinking 12 oz is certainly enough to spike blood insulin levels and cause a subsequent roller coaster effect on blood sugar. People are blindly flocking it to it because sugar tastes good and clever but misleading marketing.

We really need better nutrition education in society and better marketing controls on sugar.

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by ysavir »

Forbo wrote: post #262
ianai wrote: post #178

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There’s also Elmhurst - though more expensive. It’s basically just water and oats and maybe some salt. They list the number of ingredients on the label though for easy selection as some have more.

I've been making my own oat milk on occasion. I just got some 80 micron nut milk bags (at least two, I double strain) and use the recipe found here: https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/ The hardest part is figuring out just how long you need to blend it for. It took me three batches to get it just right. The first was too thin (didn't blend long enough), the second too slimy (blended too long). It's dirt cheap…

This is fantastic and I'll be giving a try. Do you think the recipe/process works fine if I scale it down to a 1-cup yield?

Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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Post by api »

mcculley wrote: post #105
seanwilson wrote: post #76

"Made for humans" also draws attention to the fact that the milk you're drinking from a cow is not being drank by the offspring of that cow like it normally would and many people don't realise you have to keep making diary cows give birth to get more milk. Newly born male cows are usually turned into veal in a few weeks and female cows are separated from their mothers so they don't drink the valuable milk. Milk givin…

I hosted a meetup on “dairy tech”. Before the presentation, I think I had an implicit assumption that cattle raised for beef were treated poorly. I came away realizing that cattle used for milk production suffer more. In the most efficient dairies, they never leave their enclosure, are kept pregnant continuously via artificial insemination, and are injected with hormones.

We should figure out how to grow only the milk production parts.

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Post by Forbo »

ysavir wrote: post #277
Forbo wrote: post #262

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I've been making my own oat milk on occasion. I just got some 80 micron nut milk bags (at least two, I double strain) and use the recipe found here: https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/ The hardest part is figuring out just how long you need to blend it for. It took me three batches to get it just right. The first was too thin (didn't blend long enough), the second too slimy (blended too long). It's dirt cheap…

This is fantastic and I'll be giving a try. Do you think the recipe/process works fine if I scale it down to a 1-cup yield?

I honestly couldn't say, I've only made the batch listed in the link. It tends to keep pretty well, so I usually just make a jug of it and use it over the course of a few weeks. The cleanup can be a little cumbersome, so I'd rather do it in bulk and spend less time on the cleanup.

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Post by [deleted] »

gridlockd wrote: post #258
ianai wrote: post #174

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For all the talk about fat content and quality, the topic of hormones in milk should be discussed. Cows load their milk up with hormones to stimulate growth in their calves. We’re not calves and don’t need stimulating. Further, modern dairy farms pump hormones into cows to induce higher milk production-thus more hormones make it into the milk in the container. There are even morphine-like compounds in milk and dairy…

> Ref “your body in balance” by Barnard A vegan neurologist might be a bit biased... What does he have to say about plant-based hormones such as phytoestrogens? Also, what is wrong with a little bit of morphine in your food?

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