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Oatly: The New Coke?

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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?

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> Ref “your body in balance” by Barnard A vegan neurologist might be a bit biased... What does he have to say about plant-based hormones such as phytoestrogens? Also, what is wrong with a little bit of morphine in your food?

I for one always reach for a piece of cheese when I've had a stressful day, it really takes the edge off.

Do you cut it with pastry?

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> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. Yeah what is up with that? 12 oz is over 340 ml, who puts that much milk in their coffee? I had to measure the volume of my coffee cup, it's 250 ml or 8.8 oz. I usually drink my coffee black, but if I do have milk in it it is usually a tenth of what the author uses. Unless the author is drinking a quarter gallon of…

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

All the replies so far are about how nobody drinks pure milk, so...

I drink roughly a gallon a week, personally. Whole, usually.

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Is Glycemic Index important for healthy people or is it mainly of concern to people with diabetes? The NHS suggests the latter, but it doesn't seem to have a very strong position - unlike the article, which seems very sure that high GI is bad for you. However, using the glycaemic index to decide whether foods or combinations of foods are healthy can be misleading. https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-d…

I think it's only really relevant if you have diabetes or other disorders that affect blood glucose (e.g. reactive hypoglycemia), as long as people know that in general sugars (and potatoes!) will cause spikes in blood sugar, and so should be consumed in moderation.

Although, even if you do have diabetes or the like, IMO just using the number of grams of carbohydrate and sugar in something is usually enough information, as you know that, in general, carbohydrates will cause your blood sugar to rise, and sugars will cause it to rise rapidly.

I have reactive hypoglycemia, and knowing the GI of a few foods is useful, only because you wouldn't think they were that bad (potatoes!) - but after learning it, just the macros are enough make a decision.

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It's not an advertisement, it's listed in the further reading section. And have you read the book? But hey, I guess you know better than 12,000 physicians.

Physicians don't have time to keep up with the latest science: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4532752/ It's the only book in the further reading section, this is an advertising piece. Why would I read another pop science nutrition book by a physician? I trust a physician to sew my leg back on or treat my obscure rash but nutrition books are a racket, read the source material instead.

Not sure you can generalize physicians and claim they all have no time to keep up with the latest science.

Did you actually look at the fact sheet on that page? It's not just something some physicians pulled out of thin air.

And PCRM's team does include experts in nutrition.

And your meta study link wasn't really conclusive; yes the association is low but suggesting that more high quality studies are needed.

Fact is in modern western societies you don't need dairy products and plant-based milks are less resource intensive compared to diary milk, see:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46654042

i.e. health isn't the only factor why someone might want to reduce or give up dairy products.

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> The author engages in a little deceptive rhetoric himself by setting a 12oz serving as the baseline. Yeah what is up with that? 12 oz is over 340 ml, who puts that much milk in their coffee? I had to measure the volume of my coffee cup, it's 250 ml or 8.8 oz. I usually drink my coffee black, but if I do have milk in it it is usually a tenth of what the author uses. Unless the author is drinking a quarter gallon of…

As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

It's absolutely fascinating to read these replies! We have a very diverse set of people here.

I had no idea that people didn't drink milk on its own. Apparently some Europeans don't. I eat cereal mostly to drink milk. If Oatly was a good substitute, I'd probably have started using it. (I haven't tried it yet.)

340ml is 0.08 gallons. That's consistent with "about a bowl of cereal."

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Picking a nit: “Lattes are bad for you” come now. No food is inherently “bad”. In moderation or in a balanced diet you can regularly eat some amount of “bad” food and remain perfectly healthy. I do agree they aren’t a health food but I dislike “good” and “bad”. I think healthier and unhealthier is a much better axis for food, and making choices around food.

False. Lattes ARE most definitely bad for you when they contain 30-40 grams of sugar or almost 3 TABLESPOONS.[1] [1] https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/414/hot?parent=%2Fdri...

That drink is a latte, but a latte isn't that drink. A latte is made with two ingredients: espresso and milk. Anything else is a variation.

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False. Lattes ARE most definitely bad for you when they contain 30-40 grams of sugar or almost 3 TABLESPOONS.[1] [1] https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/414/hot?parent=%2Fdri...

You picked a dessert drink. An actual Latte has less than half the number of carbs as that https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/407/hot?parent=%2Fdri...

You can also get it with almond milk reduce it by another 1/3

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As a non-coffee drinker, I drink my oatly pure, in the same way as I drank my milk growing up. So yeah, 340 ml is apt when I use my big mug. You make it sound as if no-one drinks pure milk in your environment? I find THAT weird.

I've never seen an adult drink pure milk, other than in some movies. I guess it's an american thing? Any Europeans here who drink pints of milk care to comment?

The comment you reacted to was written by me, a European (Belgium & UK). I love getting a jug of fresh milk (not the supermarket stuff though). Last winter I replaced that with Oatley, as my wife is increasingly becoming vegan. It is not the same, but now I occasionally drink it in the same way.

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A tangent on Canola and rapeseed oil: I have recently watched a Chinese Cooking Demystified video (I believe it was [1]) about the Chinese rapeseed oil and its comparison in taste and erucic acid contents to Canola oil, which is its only available variant in Western countries. The video stated a thesis echoed on Wikipedia's page on Erucic acid [2]: > Studies done on laboratory animals in the early 1970s show that eru…

Whoa! I wrote the text you quoted from Wikipedia [1]. I learned about mustard oil [2] from a couple of Indian recipes and was surprised that it's one of the primary oils used in India while being banned for human consumption in the US (leading to the development of canola oil). Trying to resolve this dissonance led to an evening of research which I then contributed to wikipedia. It's neat to see the research loop closed, actually having an impact when other people read the stuff.

I'm reminded of when I checked a dissertation out of the university library once; it had only been checked out once before. The librarian at the checkout counter looked up at me with a grin and said, "I wrote that!"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erucic_acid&diff=... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustard_oil&diff=...

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