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Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meteoric rise in xenophobia? What are you talking about?

To give one example, there's a clear and measurable increase in hate crimes against Asians at the moment.

Do you have resources? Your comment is reckless and alarmist.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

This is extremely egoistic post. You, a single individual, can infect tens of persons, without even knowing it, who spread the disease further, and of whom someone will die. Is satisfying your heartache worth starting a chain of deaths? The more people feel like they're a special-case snowflakes who should be exempt from travelling restrictions, the longer this situation is going to last.

The situation is going to last a long time regardless of what people feel like. Countries that want to suppress the coronavirus will need to keep substantial travel restrictions in place for years, so it's time to think about what the shape of a sustainable policy is. "Nobody go anywhere cause the virus might spread" isn't going to work for that long.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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post #39
post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

This is extremely egoistic post. You, a single individual, can infect tens of persons, without even knowing it, who spread the disease further, and of whom someone will die. Is satisfying your heartache worth starting a chain of deaths? The more people feel like they're a special-case snowflakes who should be exempt from travelling restrictions, the longer this situation is going to last.

There's so much bullshit in this post. Even without any precautions, the average person would not nearly infect "tens of person". To actually cause the death of one, they would have to infect on average ~200 people. And the egoists here are those that want everyone to suffer just so they can avoid a miniscule chance of death. And the faster the virus spreads, the faster we are done with this bullshit.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

As a bi-national away from my fragile parents, I'm glad governments take the situation seriously and don't get distracted anymore by the constant flow of accusations of "xenophobia" by the self-righteous self-proclaimed "anti-racist" mob.

If governments took the situation seriously, they would prohibit travel within countries just as much as between them.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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I'm right now in a Norwegian plane to come back from France to Norway. There is a quarantine since midnight, which is a good thing. There is a reason that France and Norway do not have the same numbers, French people are pretty bad at taking the covid19 measures seriously. I'm not thinking about the government but the population in general. It's a bit frustrating because it's not very difficult to be careful. I have seen many restaurant employees not wearing a mask correctly or at all, many sellers manipulating cash money without washing their hands after, and so many people not thinking about the distances. In some places, it's like nothing happened, and it's crowded.

Travelling abroad this summer is considered by many as stupid and careless. I bought the trip when the numbers were good and when the governments were allowing tourism. I think we may have to travel only when the indicators are green for some time. It was green, it's not anymore.

By the way, some asshole passengers are coughing in the plane.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meteoric rise in xenophobia? What are you talking about?

Just visit Canada from the USA. Canadians think that Americans are dying in the streets from Covid-19. They're calling the police on anyone with US license plates, harassing people from the USA, etc. The News is running articles that Canadians are fed up with Americans, etc, https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/canadians-fed-up-with-unwan... It's like they don't understand that things are in control and there are well ov…

There are currently fewer than 10 countries in the entire world that allow Americans to travel there without restriction. Canada is in the vast majority.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To give one example, there's a clear and measurable increase in hate crimes against Asians at the moment.

Do you have resources? Your comment is reckless and alarmist.

You're joking, right?

edit: in case you aren't:

US: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2120-anti-asian-hate-incid...

UK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/anti-asian-hat...

Australia: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/victoria-urged-to-toughen-hate-c...

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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Thoughts: Aerosol covid risk is highly likely, meaning that air travel requires N95 masks and goggles (eyes are a known vector). If you are outdoors, dilution of virions happens quickly, especially in windy conditions. UV helps denature RNA quickly as well. Indoor risk can be greatly mitigated with room air purifiers, but they have not been deployed because the WHO hasn’t acted on aerosol risk. (albeit, the deploymen…

Please link the study showing eyes are a known vector. AFAIK we can't say one way or another. The only evidence I've seen is anecdotal from people catching it whilst using a mask. This would not be surprising if aerosol is a thing and even if not you must call into question mask quality, fit and whether the user is following necessary protocols.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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post #39
post #4

I get that. I can give up seeing the Louvre this summer. But my loved one is in another country and the last thing my heart needs is more lock-downs. We need to consider what closed borders are doing to bi-national married / unmarried couples. They've been a largely ignored demographic during this pandemic and collateral damage due to the broad and sweeping policies that have taken place on the borders.

This is extremely egoistic post. You, a single individual, can infect tens of persons, without even knowing it, who spread the disease further, and of whom someone will die. Is satisfying your heartache worth starting a chain of deaths? The more people feel like they're a special-case snowflakes who should be exempt from travelling restrictions, the longer this situation is going to last.

I feel this is rather unempathic towards the previous poster. Human contact – affection and love in particular – are primary human needs, and they can't just be handwaved away.

You may be reasonably comfortable in your situation (as much as this entire situation gets, anyway) but not everyone is so lucky. This is not "special-case snowflakes", just a recognition that people, their circumstances, and experiences greatly differ. I'd argue that almost everyone gets treated "special" at some points in their lives and rightfully so. Always treating everyone the same is deeply misguided as people are simply not the same (equality shouldn't mean "one size fits all for everyone").

Merely travelling wouldn't cause a "chain of deaths", when done with with appropriate precautions and care. That's an extremely wild and panicked exaggeration, and not based on what we know.

Besides, I'm not entirely sure what you're exactly proposing to achieve with your "hard lockdown"; it's already well established that the virus is impossible to contain, and in many ways a "hard lockdown" will make it worse. There needs to be some balance.

Re: Norway advises citizens to avoid all travel abroad

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I'm right now in a Norwegian plane to come back from France to Norway. There is a quarantine since midnight, which is a good thing. There is a reason that France and Norway do not have the same numbers, French people are pretty bad at taking the covid19 measures seriously. I'm not thinking about the government but the population in general. It's a bit frustrating because it's not very difficult to be careful. I have…

> By the way, some asshole passengers are coughing in the plane.

Can't really stop people from coughing, no? It's pretty involuntary.

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