Any recommendations for a different good-tasting, ‘healthy’ milk alternative, then? Porridge or cereal with water is inedible...
Why doesn't soy milk work? There's soy milk and there's soy milk; the various brands taste quite different.
Oatly: The New Coke?
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Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
What actual proven health implications does cows milk have?
Most people have some level of lactose malabsorption. Also cows milk has pretty grave health implications for the cows
Globally, yeah, but not in the areas where people actually drink milk. Being able to digest cow milk is basically a regional mutation.
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#63TL;DR: Oatly (oat milk) is primarily sugar and canola oil. Both are bad in large quantities.
I don't think that's quite what it says.
> Oatly compares their sugar to the sugar in cow’s milk, but they’re not the same sugar. Lactose, the sugar in cow’s milk, has a GI of 46. Since the GI is a measure of how much of a negative response your body has to certain sugars, the 7g of sugar in Oatly with its 100+ GI is actually potentially worse than the 12g of sugar in whole milk with a 46 GI. We can use something called the “glycemic load” to measure this, which gives us a GL for the sugar in 8oz of Oatly of 7.35, and a GL for the sugar in 8oz of whole milk of 5.52. Oatly’s glycemic load is about 33% higher than milk’s is!
The article says the glycemic load is higher than of milk, but not anywhere near the glycemic load of 14 of Coke (or 16, depending on where you are in the world http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=516&ak=detai...)
This makes me think the title is at best referring the the over-the-top marketing, and at worst being pretty misleading.
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you talking about? I am talking about the vegan diet in general. There is a lot of stuff you're excluding in that, not only milk. There is evidence that doing "manly stuff" for men, like hunting, increases testosterone production. Also a lot of food like red meat, eggs etc increases testosterone production. Something vegans don't eat.
So what you're saying is, vegan men are more likely to die with a healthy prostate and a full head of hair.
Yes, but the trade-off is they spend most of their adult life being called "SOYBOY" by "real men" with inferiority complexes. No sane person would want that.
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#65> The evidence for the harms of canola oil is still in its early days, but continues to grow. Research has linked it to: Memory impairment [1], Alzheimer’s risk [1], Cardiovascular disease [2], [5], [6], [8], Diabetes [2], Increased all-cause mortality [2], [6], [7], Metabolic syndrome [3], Decreased brain function [4], and Oxidative stress [5], [7].
Most of these references talk about how there is no clear benefit of vegetable oils over animal oils or how "chronic canola oil consumption" results in obesity in transgenic mice. That is not really the same thing as "growing evidence for the harms of canola oil".
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#66What's wrong with sugar though?
I also don't buy the cartoonishly simplistic claim that "coca-cola is unhealthy". Does it cause obsesity? It doesn't "cause obsesity" in the same sense that ingesting more calories than you spend causes obsesity: It's not the coca-cola or the sugar by themselves.
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#67Any recommendations for a different good-tasting, ‘healthy’ milk alternative, then? Porridge or cereal with water is inedible...
Personally I use nothing™
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#68Any recommendations for a different good-tasting, ‘healthy’ milk alternative, then? Porridge or cereal with water is inedible...
what about just drinking water and eating berries? I kid you not, you will feel so much better.
Why berries? Any coffee-like effects that they have? Or just because they're unprocessed fruit?
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#69> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.
I mean yes I agree that Oatly is a crap company. But cow milk in general (and especially in Whole Milk form) is well proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended. There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do. (Who were advertised to insanely aggressively and back room dealings brought about things like making Milk a standard in US schools.) Oatly is still really bad but the root…
The US is actually at number 17 in the list of milk consumption per capita: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_co...
Re: Oatly: The New Coke?
#70> Little Oatly in the south of Sweden Oatly is owned by a Chinese company so it's not very Swedish anymore. They claim bullshit like cow milk is bad and spread a lot of vegan propaganda. It's a really crap company with crap interests.
I mean yes I agree that Oatly is a crap company. But cow milk in general (and especially in Whole Milk form) is well proven to be unhealthy in the quantities usually recommended. There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do. (Who were advertised to insanely aggressively and back room dealings brought about things like making Milk a standard in US schools.) Oatly is still really bad but the root…
> There’s a good reason why nobody else drinks milk like Americans do.
Americans are 17th on milk consumption per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_cons...
I don't think the 16 countries above it are usually considered unhealthy.