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A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by stefanfisk »

henrikschroder wrote: post #235
borvo wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sebastian Rushworth M.D." clearly states at the beginning of his internet post that it's anecdotal, even though his bio suggests he's trying to correct internet misinformation with "science". It absolutely shouldn't be censored. I mean, if I was considering taking this guy's medical advice - I'd want to know about this.

I agree with most of the things in this article, but it smells an awful lot like a planted piece. The name is very unusual for a Swedish person, I can only find three people with that last name in Sweden, and none of them has the first name Sebastian. The image of him in a gas mask is vague enough that you can't identify the person based on that. The blog is a hosted wordpress that only has a couple of articles going…

I found him after searching for 30 secs. Try using ratsit.se.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by henrikschroder »

stefanfisk wrote: post #241
henrikschroder wrote: post #235

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I agree with most of the things in this article, but it smells an awful lot like a planted piece. The name is very unusual for a Swedish person, I can only find three people with that last name in Sweden, and none of them has the first name Sebastian. The image of him in a gas mask is vague enough that you can't identify the person based on that. The blog is a hosted wordpress that only has a couple of articles going…

I found him after searching for 30 secs. Try using ratsit.se.

Right, forgot about Ratsit.

I found him on LinkedIn as well, so, ok, it's a real person.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by Udik »

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williamstein wrote: post #63

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Unfortunately, it turns out that the estimate of the years of life lost due to Covid per person is significantly larger than "two or three years". For example, "New study finds coronavirus can cut life span by 10 years or more" (see https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/49... ), and there are other more recent studies that go into more detail in the US looking at populations ( https://www.hsph.har…

> New study finds coronavirus can cut life span by 10 years or more This is one of the worst headlines I've seen recently. The actual study measures years lost only of those that died. By that metric, if I cross the road today and get hit by a bus, the headline would be "crossing the road can cut life span by 40 years or more". There is zero valuable information in that headline.

I don't agree. The headline contains valuable information. It says that, whatever you might think is the risk of dying once you got covid-19, on average those who died have their life shortened by about ten years. Which is not the same as dying in a traffic accident or in a war, where you can safely assume average lost lifespans of 30 or 40 years.

My only issue with this title is that can- which is wrong and makes the title meaningless. The news is that on average it does cut lifespan of ten years.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by larsga »

"In total covid has killed under 6,000 people in a country of ten million. A country with an annual death rate of around 100,000 people."

This is basically deliberate disinformation. In April and early May Sweden had 30-50% excess mortality. And this was despite actually stopping the virus through soft lockdown. What the full count would have been had they let the virus rage unchecked is hard to say, but he's comparing the numbers from a virus that was stopped relatively early with the normal numbers of deaths for a whole year. Do the same exercise for April and it doesn't look good at all.

The reality is that more than 5000 people died unnecessarily in Sweden through failed government policy. And that's before we start counting the adverse health effects on the people who survived.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by SergeAx »

> Shutting down completely in order to decrease the total number of deaths only makes sense if you are willing to stay shut down until a vaccine is available.

We forgot about the whole "flatten the curve" thing awfully quick. Overwhelmed medical system of Italy was the main cause for their grim consequences. Good for Sweden their healthcare has so much backup capacity.

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Post by mhh__ »

selimthegrim wrote: post #176
ghj wrote: post #74

NYC is a good case study since it's one of the first place hit and is now more or less "done" with covid in the same sense used in this article (it had a peak and is now on the right tail). NYC is at 2716 cases per 100k and 281 deaths per 100k: https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases States with aggressive reopening policies like Florida/Louisana/Arizona etc had spikes recently but are also coming back down. Th…

Louisiana was not aggressive about reopening; we have Democratic governor

A depressing sentence

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by adrinavarro »

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adrinavarro wrote: post #48

> "it is nonsensical to compare covid to other major pandemics […] Covid will never even come close to those numbers. And yet many countries have shut down their entire economies" > "That makes covid a mere blip in terms of its effect on mortality." This sounds wrong to me for several reasons. First of all, it's silly assuming that other countries are shutting down their economies without a very good reason for doing…

> First of all, it's silly assuming that other countries are shutting down their economies without a very good reason for doing so. I certainly wouldn't want to assume that governments only ever do the correct thing, or the thing that is in my best interests, so I think it's reasonable to ask questions. > As I understood it, the "good reason" for doing so was that the infection & death rate was growing so fast, that…

Maybe it was based on seeing what happened in other countries, ie. Spain and Italy? I can say for sure that the impact in the health care system here in Spain was very significant.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by mhh__ »

foogazi wrote: post #239
lsllc wrote: post #155

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The UK, France, Spain, India and Australia who all shutdown (to varying degrees) are now experiencing significant upticks in cases. Even Vietnam is now fighting hard to tamp down a resurgence of C19 despite impressive initial measures to try to stop it. You'd have to be completely sure that during your lockdown, the virus burned itself out inside each household. You'd have to have a really strict lockdown (e.g. troop…

Have not heard about India’s shut down I know the UK was going for herd immunity at first and then switched Spain did lockdown drastically once things got pretty bad My next question would be on Sweden’s case: is herd immunity real? Or as the virus spreads it reinfects ?

Is there a citation for herd immunity and the UK? It was bandied around by the left wing press when they were looking for blood but I never saw any concrete evidence beyond it apparently being mentioned in passing.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by [deleted] »

larsga wrote: post #244

"In total covid has killed under 6,000 people in a country of ten million. A country with an annual death rate of around 100,000 people." This is basically deliberate disinformation. In April and early May Sweden had 30-50% excess mortality. And this was despite actually stopping the virus through soft lockdown. What the full count would have been had they let the virus rage unchecked is hard to say, but he's compari…

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by kybernetikos »

larsga wrote: post #244

"In total covid has killed under 6,000 people in a country of ten million. A country with an annual death rate of around 100,000 people." This is basically deliberate disinformation. In April and early May Sweden had 30-50% excess mortality. And this was despite actually stopping the virus through soft lockdown. What the full count would have been had they let the virus rage unchecked is hard to say, but he's compari…

Yes, the charts are pretty stark and show that Sweden has fared worse than the other nordic countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=swe&areas=nor&are... or compare excess mortality between Sweden and other nordic countries in the charts halfway down https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... I'm surprised the myth of Sweden doing well is still being bruited about.
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