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A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by kmm »

chki wrote: post #43
kmm wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting those numbers? Swedish GDP is up this quarter, as about the only nation in Europe

The official numbers from the statistic agency in sweden https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subje...

Those are preliminary flash estimates, we'll see how they hold up in a month.

Even if true, it's still less down than any other European nations, and the only one not in a recession, because you're not taking the previous quarter into account as well.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by chki »

rsweeney21 wrote: post #44
supernova87a wrote: post #31

The author doesn't state (and I don't know the real-time info) about whether the country is locked down and social distancing/masks, etc. If so, it's not like their laissez-faire attitude (the previous months) is the success he's making it out to be. They only have stabilized because they adopted the recommended measures finally, if that's true.

The Swedish government never locked down or encouraged any sort of social distancing. Their plan was herd immunity and they appear to have gotten it right.

That's simply incorrect. Even just looking at the government website it literally states that people should distance themselves. https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disaster...

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by ghj »

NYC is a good case study since it's one of the first place hit and is now more or less "done" with covid in the same sense used in this article (it had a peak and is now on the right tail).

NYC is at 2716 cases per 100k and 281 deaths per 100k: https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

States with aggressive reopening policies like Florida/Louisana/Arizona etc had spikes recently but are also coming back down. They are sitting at around 2-3k cases per 100k (deaths will lag).

Even if the reason why those states "peaked" is because of herd immunity, it seems like it still requires at least 3k cases per 100k. That would translate to 300k cases for a population of 10 million but Sweden is only at 80k right now.

I highly doubt they have herd immunity.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by rzwitserloot »

spirobel wrote: post #11
chki wrote: post #7

There are a lot of highly problematic claims in the article. This one stood out to me: >Shutting down completely in order to decrease the total number of deaths only makes sense if you are willing to stay shut down until a vaccine is available. That could take years. No country is willing to wait that long. Actually it might very well just be half a year until we have a vaccine. Multiple candidate vaccines are in pha…

the german gdp is down over 10 percent. A decade of growth is gone because of this failed policy. The young generation will suffer from this for a long time. Seems like the current politicians dont care about our future.

This is so callous.

You're casually talking about the deaths of hundreds of thousands, maybe a million people.

_Of course_ your government cares. They _also_ care about needless death. They're trying to walk the tightrope.

If you want a look at a country that just goes: Eh, whatever - check out sweden, and the US.

Which have at least as much economic damage, if not far more.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by refurb »

chki wrote: post #53
refurb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden is effectively as locked down as anywhere else. Is that true? Are all the schools closed? Are most people working from home? Are most businesses shutdown? That's not what I've read (outside this article).

But this is also not the case for all the other countries in Europe which (according to the author) have taken the wrong approach to COVID. The more I think about it the more this article confuses and worries me. It's a thinkpiece that is not grounded in the scientific reality.

Ok, but he starts with...

"I want to preface this article by stating that it is entirely anecdotal and based on my experience working as a doctor in the emergency room of one of the big hospitals in Stockholm, Sweden, and of living as a citizen in Sweden."

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by mellow2020 »

chki wrote: post #53
refurb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden is effectively as locked down as anywhere else. Is that true? Are all the schools closed? Are most people working from home? Are most businesses shutdown? That's not what I've read (outside this article).

But this is also not the case for all the other countries in Europe which (according to the author) have taken the wrong approach to COVID. The more I think about it the more this article confuses and worries me. It's a thinkpiece that is not grounded in the scientific reality.

I don't know what "scientific reality" is supposed to be, but even searching for it on a rather new search engine without mentioning Covid (!) brings up plenty relevant articles: https://infinitysearch.co/results?q=the+difference+in+sweden...

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by mcguire »

rsweeney21 wrote: post #51

Wouldn't this article be considered "misinformation" on most social media sites? It's important information that I don't think should be censored, but it goes contrary to WHO.

Given that we apparently can't give up on hydroxychloroquine without a large scale randomized trial, exactly what information do you claim to find in this article?

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by bleepblorp »

refurb wrote: post #26
chki wrote: post #7

There are a lot of highly problematic claims in the article. This one stood out to me: >Shutting down completely in order to decrease the total number of deaths only makes sense if you are willing to stay shut down until a vaccine is available. That could take years. No country is willing to wait that long. Actually it might very well just be half a year until we have a vaccine. Multiple candidate vaccines are in pha…

If Covid has taught me anything, it's to stop assuming a best case scenario. Even if a vaccine is approved in Q'21, due to manufacturing, supply chain and just general operations issues, it's going to be a while before a large part of the population is vaccinated. I assume they'll prioritize medical workers and the elderly, then start working through the rest of the population. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes ano…

I don't think anyone involved in COVID-19 vaccination work believes the first vaccines will be more than 50% effective and that only for a short period. I believe the Oxford vaccine project is expecting 6 months of resistance to infection. This isn't good enough for things to go back to the way the way things were.

We'll be dealing with this virus permanently and it will likely be years, or decades, until there's a good enough vaccine for it to be safe for to return to the way they were.

In the mean time, things will change enough that going back to the old normal won't be an option by the time it's eventually safe enough to do it.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by zarkov99 »

hootbootscoot wrote: post #28
mensetmanusman wrote: post #4

This article would be banned on facebook, because the view that covid still has many millions to kill in the US (sans vaccine) is the currently allowed truth.

it would indeed, as it posits spurious claims and is factually inaccurate, ER doctor or not. The fact is, over 150k have died in the US due to COVID, and this exceeds the US death toll from any known war, so there's no real minimizing such a figure. It's likely precisely due to a failure to contain the spread of the causative virus, precisely due to waffling around lockdown.

How is it factually incorrect?
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