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A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by triceratops »

neonate wrote: post #83
hootbootscoot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would indeed, as it posits spurious claims and is factually inaccurate, ER doctor or not. The fact is, over 150k have died in the US due to COVID, and this exceeds the US death toll from any known war, so there's no real minimizing such a figure. It's likely precisely due to a failure to contain the spread of the causative virus, precisely due to waffling around lockdown.

> over 150k have died in the US due to COVID, and this exceeds the US death toll from any known war US deaths in WWII: 419k ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties )

Perhaps they meant in a single year of any war? Not to mention, we have 1/3 of this year left to go.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by stallmanite »

eternalban wrote: post #23
lefstathiou wrote: post #6

There is a political element to covid that is often... ignored.

You win the prize for the understatement of the century. The ideological clarity of the covid regime is sublime. All sorts of debated matters are decided, by "science", and that is that. Whether by accident or design, the covid regime , the "new normal" that MSM has been educating us about from the very beginning, is a blueprint for a global authoritarian technocracy with its own internal logic, ethics, and mores.

I share your concerns about authoritarians using this occasion to bend things in a bad direction but are you asserting that the virus is not a real thing or that some group with authoritarian aims is behind its release? Because if the virus is a real thing then surely protesting by gathering into crowds and falling victim doesn’t harm the bad guys right? Help me understand if you don’t mind, serious questions it’s hard to word things so they don’t sound incendiary to one side or the other (or both) since the issue is so politically charged.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by [deleted] »

spirobel wrote: post #22
refurb wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is how it was described in US media. "A large crowd of far-right groups gathered for a "sit-in" at Berlin's iconic Brandenburg Gate on Saturday to protest against the German government's coronavirus restrictions."

The same thing in the german press. the next demonstration will be on the 29. of august. It will be even bigger than the last one. You can fool some of the people some of the time. But you cant fool all the people all of the time.

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

ouid wrote: post #8

Sweden is effectively as locked down as anywhere else. The prevalence of the virus is diminishing there because people are not going out and getting sick, rendering R_t<1. I don't participate in social distancing because my government says to, and I certainly don't stop because my government says to either.

> I don't participate in social distancing because my government says to, and I certainly don't stop because my government says to either.

In an ideal world, the government would listen to the experts, they would reach some reality-based and science-based consensus, and then the people would follow those conclusions because it's the right thing to do.

But that's an ideal world.

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by refurb »

hn_check wrote: post #99
refurb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First paragraph - "Unlike other countries, Sweden never went in to complete lockdown. Non-essential businesses have remained open, people have continued to go to cafés and restaurants, children have remained in school, and very few people have bothered with face masks in public."

Sweden has adopted virtually every recommendations without it being mandated . This is an enormous difference from some Florida Man arguing why lockdowns are unnecessary. As much as people focus on face masks, in Sweden the sparsity of people given their response makes it much less of a necessity. https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5... There you go -- read about Swedes talking about their COV…

So if I understand you correctly, although Sweden hasn't closed schools, children aren't attending?

And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores?

And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by [deleted] »

hn_check wrote: post #87
ghj wrote: post #74

NYC is a good case study since it's one of the first place hit and is now more or less "done" with covid in the same sense used in this article (it had a peak and is now on the right tail). NYC is at 2716 cases per 100k and 281 deaths per 100k: https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases States with aggressive reopening policies like Florida/Louisana/Arizona etc had spikes recently but are also coming back down. Th…

I think we really are losing sight of the before versus now comparison. NYC is an absolutely ghost town compared to how it was. Everyone stays remarkably limited in their social contact. Professional sports are a ghost of what they were, running in an incredibly limited fashion. Travel is rare. The same is true of Sweden as well, of course. Social interaction has collapsed to very close to nil, and any article that c…

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Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by bobloblaw45 »

neonate wrote: post #83
hootbootscoot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would indeed, as it posits spurious claims and is factually inaccurate, ER doctor or not. The fact is, over 150k have died in the US due to COVID, and this exceeds the US death toll from any known war, so there's no real minimizing such a figure. It's likely precisely due to a failure to contain the spread of the causative virus, precisely due to waffling around lockdown.

> over 150k have died in the US due to COVID, and this exceeds the US death toll from any known war US deaths in WWII: 419k ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties )

Maybe he didn't know about that war?

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

spirobel wrote: post #5

its time to stop this! I am so proud to see my fellow germans rise up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htDrDieOgh0

Looks like by "this" you mean contact with reality, evidence-based reasoning, and a scientific approach.

Just curious - what do you thing will happen in the long run if the whole world chooses to live according to some mythology, as you propose?

Re: A Swedish doctor's perspective on Covid

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Post by hn_check »

refurb wrote: post #105
hn_check wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden has adopted virtually every recommendations without it being mandated . This is an enormous difference from some Florida Man arguing why lockdowns are unnecessary. As much as people focus on face masks, in Sweden the sparsity of people given their response makes it much less of a necessity. https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/i58jjj/helgtr%C3%A5... There you go -- read about Swedes talking about their COV…

So if I understand you correctly, although Sweden hasn't closed schools, children aren't attending? And although non-essential businesses aren't closed, Swedes aren't going to those stores? And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?

The snark is adorable and comically out of place.

Swedish schools closed for the summer break just as COVID was peaking. They return in just over a week. Businesses are sparse because few people are shopping. Restaurants and bars were closed, and other than that have strict reduced occupancy.

But Florida man is sure that Everything Is Normal. It's hilarity. That "look they didn't close their schools"...when they were closed regardless. Hurr.

"And masks aren't mandated, but most people are wearing them?"

Masks are necessary when you're in close proximity to other people. Swedes aren't getting in close proximity to other people. Are you getting this?

The Cult of Idiocy that has overtaken the US isn't there in Sweden. Florida in their highest level of lockdown has dramatically more social interaction than Sweden minus it.

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