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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by ramraj07 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #138

subsubzero wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

Everything I read about the founders makes me think they are great guys, I think they value the same things I do. They are also obviously smart and great business people too because they have very successful business. They also have a habit of acquiring products I like using. I was a user of both source tree and trello when they were acquired. Having said all that, I really hate Jira and Confluence and would not like…

Isn't atlassian the most gung ho proponent of doing everything, everything through event streams and Kafka?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by stjohnswarts » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:46 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #51

tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

I love remote work. But yeah, I have also realized that if I didn’t show up for a few days, nobody would notice. And that presents a long term problem.

If you didn't do any work for a few days no one would notice? That does not compute. What do you do for a living? If I didn't show up for even a couple of days they would send out the police and possibly the state militia due to there being a lot of "village knowledge" at my company.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by caymanjim » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:47 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #189

cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

Timezones are challenging between US West Coast and Europe. But, at my company, we do a lot of collaboration between US East Coast and Central Europe--which seems manageable synchronously but is probably approaching the limit where it's fairly straightforward (on a frequent basis).

I'm US east coast working for a US west coast client, and that's complicated enough. I've got a few hours before and after work to myself, which is nice, but the workday is smack in the middle. On the upside, I can sleep in and stay up late if I want. On the downside, I often miss family dinners (less of a concern with covid) and there's no long block of time for more than errands during the week. Overall, I like it. A bigger shift would be hard. I may move to Hawaii when the plague passes, and then my day would start at 6am. That'd be rough.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by gdulli » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:48 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #100

Anyone else suspect we are going to see a massive deflation of cities?

When covid is done, or effectively done, we'll be the same fundamental society we were before it started.

This bubble of tech workers aside, most people don't want to sit at home all day. I like going somewhere to work where I can socialize a little or a lot on a given day, depending on my mood. Communicate with people in person when I don't want to deal with the online trade-offs. Go to lunch with people. Leave my work at work rather than have it invade my personal space.

I don't think covid has turned me into a minority on that. I'm dealing with this subsistence level of contact because I have to, but when this is over the companies that can offer me a comfortable work space will have a recruiting advantage over the ones that can't. I'll still favor being in my city.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by alfiedotwtf » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:53 PM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #138

subsubzero wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

Everything I read about the founders makes me think they are great guys, I think they value the same things I do. They are also obviously smart and great business people too because they have very successful business. They also have a habit of acquiring products I like using. I was a user of both source tree and trello when they were acquired. Having said all that, I really hate Jira and Confluence and would not like…

He was also here on HN comments telling everyone not to criticise the Australian Government’s COVIDSafe App while not disclosing Atlassian had a contract as part of the app’s development

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by skrap » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:56 PM UTC

entropea wrote: post #7

coldtea wrote: post #2

I hope those now remote employees have access to some good issue tracking, repo hosting, and collaboration/documentation tools. Else they'll be forced to use something like Jira, Confluence, Bit Bucket, and such, which suck...

I am directly responsible for Jira and Confluence admin/infrastructure on an enterprise level and once you know how at least Jira works, its a fairly powerful tool for PM's. I haven't run into many issues except during a migration where we knew we were going to run into issues. Atlassian's documentation isn't that good however.

Curious if you use self-hosted or cloud jira? My main problem with (cloud) jira is that it takes about 30 seconds from navigating to the site until I can start typing my issue comment or description or whatever. And that's without using search... It's just _so_ slow.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by user5994461 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

strictfp wrote: post #215

user5994461 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European companies don't have equally nice office, free snacks or pay as top American companies. Companies that hire young driven workers and have a good environment can get a similar amount of overtime and the work all the time attitude.

Not so sure about that. I know plenty offices in Stockholm with free food, drinks and entertainment for employees.

And they stay in office after 5pm to take advantage of the perks?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by ghaff » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:59 PM UTC

caymanjim wrote: post #223

ghaff wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Timezones are challenging between US West Coast and Europe. But, at my company, we do a lot of collaboration between US East Coast and Central Europe--which seems manageable synchronously but is probably approaching the limit where it's fairly straightforward (on a frequent basis).

I'm US east coast working for a US west coast client, and that's complicated enough. I've got a few hours before and after work to myself, which is nice, but the workday is smack in the middle. On the upside, I can sleep in and stay up late if I want. On the downside, I often miss family dinners (less of a concern with covid) and there's no long block of time for more than errands during the week. Overall, I like it.…

I actually know someone who is a one-woman PR agency in Hawaii with mostly (all?) West Coast clients. Yes, she gets up at like 5AM.

I have a lot of calls that are mostly people in eastern time and central European time. It mostly works pretty well. We schedule calls typically between about 8:30 and 11 ET. Sometimes those of us in ET have a bit earlier calls than we prefer and the Europeans have calls a bit later than they'd prefer but it works pretty well. And we just don't expect Europeans to get back to us on the same day if we send them an email in the afternoon and they don't expect us to respond to emails in their morning.

Of course, if you're contracting the client may well want a more synchronized schedule.

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Post by m463 » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 12:00 AM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

> internet speeds are good (due to density probably)

ISPs and wireless carriers are the most profitable companies in the USA all with 60% gross profit margin if you look and any of the financials.

When my friend was younger he worked for a cable company, where he did installs. He said the capital costs were usually covered in the first month of service, and everything was gravy after that.

So. What if in another country instead of extracting the profit, they put 5% of it back into the infrastructure. I suspect you would have what a lot of europeans have - fast internet. And what if you didn't take as much profit? You would have the other thing europeans have, cheap internet.

I mean, I like capitalism. It works! But I think there are some things that are out of whack.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by rtweetr » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 12:01 AM UTC

strictfp wrote: post #215

user5994461 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European companies don't have equally nice office, free snacks or pay as top American companies. Companies that hire young driven workers and have a good environment can get a similar amount of overtime and the work all the time attitude.

Not so sure about that. I know plenty offices in Stockholm with free food, drinks and entertainment for employees.

Same in London, UK. And you need to overwork yourself to eat then.