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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by caseyohara »

itdagusszous wrote: post #114
webkike wrote: post #103

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Not really, cities offer public transportation and a lot of enjoyable things to do. They were a thing before large corporations were seated there.

cost of living in cities has been rising at an insane rate over the last decade, a large part of it is tech salaries. I know a ton of software engineers who only live in cities b/c that's where the jobs are. Places outside of cities also offer a lot of (different) enjoyable things to do. Presumably big companies moving jobs away from cities will have some impact.

Wouldn't that mean living in cities will get cheaper? People that didn't want to live in the city but had to for work will move out, and people that wanted to live in the city but couldn't because it was too expensive will move in. Hopefully a cheaper equilibrium in cities will happen because of all this.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by sverhagen »

cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

> don't depend on the office for their socialization

Could you explain what you mean by this argument?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by james412 »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #171
james412 wrote: post #146

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You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker

Maybe he's the guy that can turn that around.

Lapses on that scale are not an engineering issue, they're likely a culture issue. Atlassian are a successful business that sell to engineering businesses, but that doesn't mean their leadership know or care about engineering. I'd stake a large bet on the reality he could not turn it around. Atlassian are basically the Oracle of ticket trackers

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Post by jakupovic »

colordrops wrote: post #145
daenz wrote: post #100

Anyone else suspect we are going to see a massive deflation of cities?

If self driving cars ever actually work, coupled with ubiquitous remote work, it seems to me that the major disincentives for living far away from the urban center are mostly gone. If you can sleep or working during your two hour automated commute, it would be a game changer.

Still a waste of time.

No matter how much easier doing unnecessary work is, it still doesn't make sense.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by thingymajig »

dbish wrote: post #148
herval wrote: post #141

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The open office “fad” is pretty much the only office arrangement for more than a decade now, so what you’re saying is this will be the de facto going forward?

De-facto, but actually counter to productivity, just like open-office. Companies that choose to not do this, will have a per employee efficiency advantage. Big companies may not care just like in open office because the per employee advantage is outweighed by the ability to reduce costs for the space

We don't need to endlessly increase productivity. The US been increasing productivity faster than wages for decades and it hasn't been good for most people.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by dbish »

thingymajig wrote: post #195
dbish wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

De-facto, but actually counter to productivity, just like open-office. Companies that choose to not do this, will have a per employee efficiency advantage. Big companies may not care just like in open office because the per employee advantage is outweighed by the ability to reduce costs for the space

We don't need to endlessly increase productivity. The US been increasing productivity faster than wages for decades and it hasn't been good for most people.

I'm not arguing either way for whether "we" need to as a whole, but if you want to get the most out of your team and company (and you should if you're running a startup) I think you should look at in person options again once things are somewhat normal if you want an advantage. Some sort of hybrid office(with dedicated per employee offices)+WFH flexibility is probably your best option.

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

sverhagen wrote: post #192
cblconfederate wrote: post #162

One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lo…

> don't depend on the office for their socialization Could you explain what you mean by this argument?

By and large, Europe does not have Silicon Valley's culture of crazy overtime, living at the office, and spending your remaining free time with your colleagues.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

manquer wrote: post #127
hevelvarik wrote: post #110

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Unless you’ve mastered one of those tools, it’s impossible to match the fluidity of thought to text or visualization that a standard whiteboard provides you. I’m also not convinced that there is a tool that when mastered can provide the same fluidity, but I can claim that, and to the contrary I’d love a recommendation.

Not to mention the simplicity of a chalk/marker and a board.

The ability to callously walk up to the whiteboard and erase what your coworker was doing and telling him to go back to his cube and repent for his sins is also sorely missed

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Post by jay_kyburz »

durzagott wrote: post #160
lebski88 wrote: post #62

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I've worked remotely for 4 years now. We try extremely hard to avoid talking in private chats. Each person has their own channel which we try to use over DMs - this works really well although a few people seem to default to DM.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I'm not sure I really understand. Are you saying you create a public channel for each person (ie, their name)? If so, how come?

Probably to prevent people from saying things to co-workers that they would not want to say publicly.

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Post by ghaff »

jimmaswell wrote: post #97
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #87

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I've worked from home for ~6 years and 2 companies. I really miss real whiteboards. The only thing worse that being on a software team that has no whiteboards, is being the only remote person on a team that has whiteboards in the office.

What's wrong with Google docs or any of the myriad online whiteboard apps?

I'm admittedly not a developer but I used to think that the lack of expansive whiteboards was one of the real failings of remote communication. And it still can be. But I've also find that shared Google Docs work better in a lot of situations than whiteboards and post-its all over the place in a big conference room.

(That said, if whiteboards are important to a team, I would imagine there's software for sharing tablet drawing. I've heard there is. I just haven't investigated.)

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