The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.
You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker
Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
If all of the white collar workers who are able to work from home and limit exposure to and spread of covid-19, doesn't that help everyone else who can't work from home?
You don't see the "It's good for you that I hide from the danger and you go out in it" and how incredibly messed up that is?
Given that some people are not working from home, surely it's strictly better for them if the spread of the virus is reduced?
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
The open office “fad” is pretty much the only office arrangement for more than a decade now, so what you’re saying is this will be the de facto going forward?
De-facto, but actually counter to productivity, just like open-office. Companies that choose to not do this, will have a per employee efficiency advantage. Big companies may not care just like in open office because the per employee advantage is outweighed by the ability to reduce costs for the space
Hot desking is your CEO standing up and saying "I got nothing" when asked how to increase profitability.
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#174Trouble is, it only works if everyone is remote or everyone is in the office. "Piecemeal" situation does not work - remote people will be left out, and disadvantaged in terms of their career progression. So if they are serious about remote, they should commit to being remote only. Yes, some people won't like it, at least initially. But most of them will get used to it over time, same as they got used to the ridiculou…
>Trouble is, it only works if everyone is remote or everyone is in the office. "Piecemeal" situation does not work Piecemeal is more difficult but it's basically what my company was pre-COVID and presumably will be again (with probably a lot more remote) posy-COVID. It does mean the people who are co-located need to have the discipline to treat decision-making, etc. as if everyone is remote. It probably helps that we…
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even a vanilla JIRA core on their cloud is slow as molasses, while there is slight improvement over the last year, they seem to be using more react on the frontend in each update. On a typical day moving tickets around , reviewing everyone's items and confluence with its WYSIWHG editor only approach is 20% of my day gone. Just making the UI non blocking for every single action would double my productivity. Their mobi…
What does WYSIWHG stand for?
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uber also had fired a bunch of people from India. (I'm from India). But I was in complete shock when they started hiring again just a month after firing so many people. I think using the pandemic as a scapegoat they got to clean up some highly paid resources and recruit new ones bargaining (given pandemic those who looked for job didn't have much to ask for). I guess there must be some government regulatory body look…
Isn't new talent more expensive than existing talent? If you've had employees that for years have been getting inadequate COL adjustments, they're cheaper to keep than getting market-rate talent.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
My Bay Area job is letting me WFH permanently, and I'm looking to move to an adjacent area but the rental market is empty, and housing sales seem... targeted to SF expats.
And I haven’t actually seen the supposed rental price decrease in SF and the peninsula, other than some 2- to 4-week free rent offers.
That's deep decrease (~33%), I fully expect the effects to show up starting Q4.
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#178The really cool outcome for me would be if all my coworkers get to work from home and I could snatch a whole office just for me (there's a binding rent contract for the next X years still, we might as well use it :P) Edit: this comment was a bit sarcastic, just in case somebody didn't get that.
My office is 12 minutes "run-commuting", there are a couple of good restaurants there, if I make a mess on my desk in the office, my desk at home is still clean, I got four whiteboards, I am not bothered by the neighbor's Amazon package, nor coworkers as they are all working from home.
Now granted, if I had to come 2x1 hour by car, I wouldn't do it, but a 30 min walk in the morning is actually pretty nice
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#179Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…
> The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. There is no inherent advantage to "working in person." Lower trust or communication or higher friction are not inherent to working remotely, they are the product of poor and overconfident management (at least in tech, given our forum here) and can be seen in any number of environments.…
I really miss whiteboard sessions and and being able to chat without lag.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker
I didn't say that was my well researched opinion/plan!