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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by triceratops »

dominotw wrote: post #42
davidw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US 2. extremely portable work goes abroad

reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic. Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

> Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

Why do so many companies hire at a higher salary in the Bay Area when they can hire the same person anywhere else in the US at much lower cost?

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Post by subsubzero »

simonswords82 wrote: post #5

It's a no brainer. We will look back at offices like we look back on Victorian warehouses. Edit: People seem to be agreeing but I'm getting downvoted. WTF.

I don't think so, well maybe how tech used to work at the office with developers elbowing each other at a long table meant for 5 but 10 people working from it.

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Post by eikenberry »

lebski88 wrote: post #62
ram_rar wrote: post #57

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it depends a lot on company culture. I see more private conversations in slack happening as opposed to group chat. FOMO is as high as stock market.

I've worked remotely for 4 years now. We try extremely hard to avoid talking in private chats. Each person has their own channel which we try to use over DMs - this works really well although a few people seem to default to DM.

Our company has the policy of deleting all DMs after a couple weeks which helps push people towards using the channels as people generally like having a history of their communications for reference.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by pb7 »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #61
ram_rar wrote: post #56

If this trend continues, it should affect bay area housing prices. I dont see any reason to pay such high rent, if I could work anywhere in the pacific north west.

I don’t know about the US, but there’s more to urban areas than just the commute time. If anything wfh means spending more time in your home neighbourhood, so you’re going to need more amenities closer by - which are generally found in cities.

This will be fiercely debated but Bay Area (notably San Francisco) has previously been a mix of {things to do, high paying jobs}. Once you remove high paying jobs (or rather, expand them to other cities by way of remoteness), there are many other equally good or better contenders for things to do with significantly cheaper housing.

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Post by xwdv »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #61
ram_rar wrote: post #56

If this trend continues, it should affect bay area housing prices. I dont see any reason to pay such high rent, if I could work anywhere in the pacific north west.

I don’t know about the US, but there’s more to urban areas than just the commute time. If anything wfh means spending more time in your home neighbourhood, so you’re going to need more amenities closer by - which are generally found in cities.

Nature is an amenity.

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Post by ben_w »

dominotw wrote: post #42
davidw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. stop allowing foreign workers into the US 2. extremely portable work goes abroad

reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic. Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

Because India is 9.5 time zones from New York. Americans who can remote work (not just developers) should be more worried about being outsourced to Canada, or to Central and South American countries.

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Post by Skunkleton »

tomerico wrote: post #48

Unfortunately, game theory says that remote work will not stay once people can go back to work from the office safely. The reality is that there is a real advantage in working in person. Whether it’s increased trust, communication, or lower friction. We could see it pre-COVID in a he fact that there are barely any successful remote offices (let alone individuals). This means that employees would see advantages to com…

There are plenty of examples of successful fully remote teams and companies. Not sure why you are saying there aren't.

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Post by dominotw »

triceratops wrote: post #71
dominotw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reversing 1 won't stop 2 though. I don't understand your logic. Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost.

> Why would someone go through the hassle of hiring and bringing a H1B at higher salary in USA when they can hire the same person in India at much lower cost. Why do so many companies hire at a higher salary in the Bay Area when they can hire the same person anywhere else in the US at much lower cost?

presumably because they can come into the office in the bay area.

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Post by devmunchies »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #40
Hamuko wrote: post #22

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Hasn't this been tried before?

The difference these days is that US-based developers are going to be facing most of the same hurdles as the international teams. It's a blow to their competitiveness.

> US-based developers

no, not all parts of the country will be so hardcore about remote work into the future. For example, I see Utah (which leans heavy into enterprise SaaS and already booming in tech) to continue as normal except with masks or a little more space between desks.

If some businesses do better in person, then they will make it happen somehow.

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Post by xienze »

Hamuko wrote: post #23
d357r0y3r wrote: post #21

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Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

> I think if this trend of going fully remote holds up, it becomes much harder to justify living in an expensive city, especially as workers age. There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

> There's still distinct benefits to big cities. You can order stuff online fast, even groceries. You get good Internet connectivity, which is a thing that you need for remote work. Lots of services around.

Define “big city.” I live in a medium-sized city in a low cost of living area and my house has AT&T Fiber, Google Fiber, and cable available to it. I dare say that’s better than most people in the Bay Area have access to. And yes, Amazon delivers here too.

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