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Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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I saw a video recently where someone was discussing Facebook's "moat". Essentially, among Big Tech, it has the least defensible moat, which I think is true. https://youtu.be/4SrxqfKn9Bw?t=1605 I think Facebook has very little choice right now. Libra could have been a moat, but it is more or less dead now. They are being cornered into being more pro-conservative, because otherwise their moat (engagement, which is what…

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Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#52

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

Damore is a funny case.

The original memo runs against current mores, and the science is wobbly, but it's not outrageous. Perhaps it's wrong, but it's not outrageous to be wrong! On the other hand, once he was kicked out of Google, he quickly fell in with some nasty characters, like Molyneux.

If you only heard about the memo, and missed or skimmed over the subsequent stuff, it's easy to see Damore as a victim of the dreaded cancel culture. Whereas if you didn't read the memo but saw what he was up to afterwards, it's easy to see him as a straightforward villain.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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It sounds like the issue is that fact-checkers are being overridden sometimes when they flag right-wing news sources. I think that if you asked a right-wing person, they would tell you that many of these fact-checker organizations have a distinct left-wing bias. Maybe they (the fact-checkers) aren’t infallible and get it wrong sometimes?

Another aspect is that a lot of non-left, or right-leaning viewpoints have been categorized into "naughty idea" territory, despite a lot of reasonable people holding them. E.g. Things such as: Being against mass-migration from 3rd world countries to the west, wanting racially homogenous societies, removing welfare, building a wall, racial profiling, there being no gender pay-gap, protesting spreads the virus, BLM are…

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Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#54
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Stefan Molyneux is a pig but your characterization of Damore is low effort and more or less completely wrong. If you read the memo it is a relatively straightforward review of standard Biology and Psychology research. There's virtually nothing controversial in it. If you have issues with it you have issues with science. Which given the "decolonize" science lunacy recently isn't surprising. China is laughing all the w…

> If you have issues with it you have issues with science. Dogmatic statements like these just weaken your case; the idea that some memo was the Golden Standard™ of Science and those who question it are questioning Science itself is clearly ridiculous. It's Trump-level hyporbole. The perfect memo.

Care to point out which lines in the Memo were weren't supported by standard literature?

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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post #9

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

Molyneux most definitely is an extremist, some choice quotes from the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/indi... It's got nothing to do with echo chambers. The response to his memo might have been a little overblown, but anyone who associates with someone like Molyneux makes quite clear where they stand. >makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting? I'm not sure about HN,…

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Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#56

It is mildly off-topic, but it is not intended to derail this conversation. Did anyone else notice that Buzzfeednews and Yahoo news gotten somewhat decent ( as in, Yahoo actually had an in-depth analysis that wasn't all talking points ).

Buzzfeed News has always been decent in the sense that it is a serious journalism outfit.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#57
post #20

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From my basic understanding is that Buzzfeed != Buzzfeed News. News is apparently a well run organization and it’s a shame that it uses the same brand for this very reason.

Yes but Buzzfeed News has also been caught asking Buzzfeed to report a story so Buzzfeed news can do the "According to Buzzfeed...." kind of game.

I hadn't heard of this, can you link a news story or something about it?

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#58

I saw a video recently where someone was discussing Facebook's "moat". Essentially, among Big Tech, it has the least defensible moat, which I think is true. https://youtu.be/4SrxqfKn9Bw?t=1605 I think Facebook has very little choice right now. Libra could have been a moat, but it is more or less dead now. They are being cornered into being more pro-conservative, because otherwise their moat (engagement, which is what…

I question whether advertisers really care about public ethical issues, and won't just quietly restore Ad spending when covid is over.

Virtue signaling is cheap.

Is there any evidence that they've specifically cut more from Facebook than from other social media platforms?

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

#59
post #34

It sounds like the issue is that fact-checkers are being overridden sometimes when they flag right-wing news sources. I think that if you asked a right-wing person, they would tell you that many of these fact-checker organizations have a distinct left-wing bias. Maybe they (the fact-checkers) aren’t infallible and get it wrong sometimes?

Another aspect is that a lot of non-left, or right-leaning viewpoints have been categorized into "naughty idea" territory, despite a lot of reasonable people holding them. E.g. Things such as: Being against mass-migration from 3rd world countries to the west, wanting racially homogenous societies, removing welfare, building a wall, racial profiling, there being no gender pay-gap, protesting spreads the virus, BLM are…

Wanting racially homegeneous societies is an "evil idea" because to create one, you have to remove groups of people from a society based on their race.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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This is not "less extreme" than what you're referencing: “You cannot run a high IQ [white] society with low IQ [non-white] people…these [non-white] immigrants are going to fail...and they're not just going to fail a little, they are going to fail hard…they're not staying on welfare because they’re lazy...they’re doing what is economically the best option for them...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible wi…

I don't understand your point? I can quote left-leaning racists for you too if you like?

The whole point is those white nationalist beliefs are par for the course within that demographic.

You're making generalizations about other groups with no substantive data.

Yes, you _may_ be able to find a left-leaning racist spouting absurdities like this, but it isn't indicative of that group as a whole...the far-right, white nationalist demographic has these vile beliefs as a foundation of their platform.

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