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Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by commandlinefan »

zo1 wrote: post #34
jerkstate wrote: post #8

It sounds like the issue is that fact-checkers are being overridden sometimes when they flag right-wing news sources. I think that if you asked a right-wing person, they would tell you that many of these fact-checker organizations have a distinct left-wing bias. Maybe they (the fact-checkers) aren’t infallible and get it wrong sometimes?

Another aspect is that a lot of non-left, or right-leaning viewpoints have been categorized into "naughty idea" territory, despite a lot of reasonable people holding them. E.g. Things such as: Being against mass-migration from 3rd world countries to the west, wanting racially homogenous societies, removing welfare, building a wall, racial profiling, there being no gender pay-gap, protesting spreads the virus, BLM are…

We actually seem to be creeping past "holding those viewpoints results in cancellation" into "not actively condemning those viewpoints results in cancellation".

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by ChomskyNormal4m »

lucian1900 wrote: post #12
site-packages1 wrote: post #4

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

It’s entirely in keeping with the class character of HN: labour aristocracy (well paid workers) and petty bourgeoisie (small business owners). That is historically the social base of the far right.

Here, definitely the latter over the former.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by save_ferris »

ergodicity001 wrote: post #31

I saw a video recently where someone was discussing Facebook's "moat". Essentially, among Big Tech, it has the least defensible moat, which I think is true. https://youtu.be/4SrxqfKn9Bw?t=1605 I think Facebook has very little choice right now. Libra could have been a moat, but it is more or less dead now. They are being cornered into being more pro-conservative, because otherwise their moat (engagement, which is what…

> because otherwise their moat (engagement, which is what advertisers pay for) will collapse by the time COVID is done.

What makes you say this? I don’t quite follow.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by asveikau »

site-packages1 wrote: post #4

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

There is a kneejerk defensive pro D'amore response in a place like this because a bunch of youngish right leaning white dudes see themselves in him. So if you say something disparaging you are attacking Self.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by zo1 »

ryneandal wrote: post #25
zo1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're honest, a lot of that is less extreme than a lot of what happens on the "crazy", "woke", "left" these days that we're all kinda accepting and in a lot of cases promoting. The difference is one is "kinda" accepted and promoted under the guise of "justice", whilst the other is shunned as "extremist" and "far right".

This is not "less extreme" than what you're referencing: “You cannot run a high IQ [white] society with low IQ [non-white] people…these [non-white] immigrants are going to fail...and they're not just going to fail a little, they are going to fail hard…they're not staying on welfare because they’re lazy...they’re doing what is economically the best option for them...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible wi…

I don't understand your point? I can quote left-leaning racists for you too if you like?

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Post by devalgo »

JshWright wrote: post #40
devalgo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Molyneux is detestable but SLPC has no credibility. They recently settled a defamation lawsuit against Majid Nawaz an anti-extremism Muslim reformer who they labeled as an anti-muslim extremist. It's in the same vein as people who call Ben Shapiro, an orthodox jew, a Nazi. It's simply ridiculous hysterics.

Which of the quotes are you disputing the accuracy of?

Where did I say I dispute the quotes? I said Molyneux is a dirtbag but SPLC is not a credible org.

Re: Facebook fired an employee who posted evidence of preferential treatment

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Post by aaomidi »

equality_1138 wrote: post #22
aaomidi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see you're already getting downvoted? It's funny because the same people who support James Damore are also anti unionizing which would give them a stronger voice....

What's funny? Unionizing in the advertising/tech industry to push a political agenda is acting like sheep! How does anyone get fooled into this kind of philosophy? Mob rules? Look at the big picture and think for yourself for a change.

Unionizing to protect your job.

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

devalgo wrote: post #38
site-packages1 wrote: post #4

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

Stefan Molyneux is a pig but your characterization of Damore is low effort and more or less completely wrong. If you read the memo it is a relatively straightforward review of standard Biology and Psychology research. There's virtually nothing controversial in it. If you have issues with it you have issues with science. Which given the "decolonize" science lunacy recently isn't surprising. China is laughing all the w…

> If you have issues with it you have issues with science.

Dogmatic statements like these just weaken your case; the idea that some memo was the Golden Standard™ of Science and those who question it are questioning Science itself is clearly ridiculous. It's Trump-level hyporbole. The perfect memo.

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Post by jtr1 »

devalgo wrote: post #38
site-packages1 wrote: post #4

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

Stefan Molyneux is a pig but your characterization of Damore is low effort and more or less completely wrong. If you read the memo it is a relatively straightforward review of standard Biology and Psychology research. There's virtually nothing controversial in it. If you have issues with it you have issues with science. Which given the "decolonize" science lunacy recently isn't surprising. China is laughing all the w…

Damore's evidence was by turns cherry picked, misinterpreted, and unrepresentative of mainstream understanding in the fields it came from. You can read plenty of those researchers complaining about his use of their work. His synthesis is about as scientific as phrenology.

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Post by DuskStar »

Barrin92 wrote: post #9
site-packages1 wrote: post #4

I saw this yesterday. There were a shocking number of people bringing up and defending people like James Damore, the misogynist Google memo guy who guest starred on white power podcasts like Stefan Molyneux's. I don't like to be an an echo chamber, but I feel like praising that sort of thing is definitely in the relm of "far right" and makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting?

Molyneux most definitely is an extremist, some choice quotes from the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/indi... It's got nothing to do with echo chambers. The response to his memo might have been a little overblown, but anyone who associates with someone like Molyneux makes quite clear where they stand. >makes me wonder if that's the sort of people HN is attracting? I'm not sure about HN,…

Molyneux being an extremist does not mean that Danmore must necessarily be an extremist. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, you can appear on a talk show with someone you disagree strongly with, or be interviewed by the same.

And, personally, if I was being lambasted in the mainstream media, I'd be taking whatever opportunities I could to put my side of the story out there, without looking too hard into who was offering a helping hand. I think that's true of just about everyone.

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