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US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by qppo »

euix wrote: post #106
thewarrior wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats how world wars break out.

I might get downvoted for this but I think it's a very real possibility. Withdraw the embassy from Beijing, recognize Taiwan and force a embargo of all Taiwanese/Korean and Japanese semiconductor supplies and components to Mainland China. Then sit back and let China then make the first move. Might not work, but at this point I wouldn't put it past somebody in the White House having already gamed it. There has never b…

> Then sit back and let China then make the first move. Might not work, but at this point I wouldn't put it past somebody in the White House having already gamed it.

I doubt it, there is not a single person of competence in the white house capable of gaming it. They are reactionary, not proactive. The President does not understand causality, and I sincerely doubt that anyone in his inner circle does either (because everyone with a brain has left or been fired). Your strategy here has two moves more than anyone in the Trump whitehouse is capable of fathoming.

> There has never been a case in human history where one group of people voluntarily gave up their wealth, status and privilege to another group of people. Wealth transfer always leads to violence.

I mean involuntary != violence. There have been plenty of peaceful cessions of power.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by topkai22 »

thewarrior wrote: post #75
rtx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your views on IP theft by some companies there. Should that be considered first strike by China.

China says if you want to set up a factory in China you need to transfer IP. They aren't forcing western companies to invest. Most companies invested voluntarily. And this was seen as mostly OK when the rivalry wasn't as heated.

It might have been seen as OK on the business community, but people in the national security community have been freting over it for a long time. For reasons good and bad those views are now in the ascendancy in the political sphere.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by nine_zeros »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #119
euix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are already passed the point of any of this mattering. Increasingly the rhetoric seems to me to just be: what matters isn't who is in the right or what is just or fair. Increasingly the only thing that matters is which side you are on. Are you with us or are you against us? It's just dogma at this point. In this kind of environment people that are rational either stick to their tribe or learn to keep their…

China is likely playing the higher ground to see who wins in November. Biden will undo all of this and go back to ceding America’s prosperity to the dictatorship of China.

What American prosperity? Printing money while millions are about to be evicted?

If last 4 years are any example, the same leadership will destroy everything that America stands for in the next 4 years.

We will be a country of thugs, no friends and all bankruptcies.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by bleepblorp »

paxys wrote: post #91

None of these Chinese companies would have grown to what they are today without intense government-enforced protectionism at home, and until China agrees to compete on a fair playing field I'm perfectly fine with them all being banned outside of their firewall. Would China ever agree to let Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Snapchat, WhatsApp, Messenger etc. or any new startup operate freely and make money there? It shou…

It's pretty much impossible for lower-income countries to develop economically without protecting their emerging businesses from being slaughtered by established foreign competition.

The priority of the Chinese government is the benefit of its citizens (leaving aside that the CCP doesn't consider ethnic minorities in China to be full citizens, as this is a separate issue) and its domestic economy, not the benefit of the American tech sector's senior executives and shareholders.

It's not reasonable to expect, much less demand, that the Chinese turn their tech economy over to silicon valley by allowing unrestricted US entry. It's not in their economic interests, nor is it in their security interests, and no amount of US bullying will change this.

China is not Europe; it's not going to hand over the keys to its economic future to the United States just because the US asks for them.

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Post by gpm »

badRNG wrote: post #86
karterk wrote: post #81

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US is merely reciprocating the policies of CCP: let them allow US companies to compete fairly in China as well.

> US is merely reciprocating the policies of CCP Does this mean the policies of the CCP are superior to US policy to date?

This is a bad faith interpretation.

A widely held belief is both that free trade is good, when both parties engage in it, and that when one party prohibits it the other party is correct in doing the same. This is why reciprocating sanctions and tarrifs is standard practice.

For example, Canada just today announced tarrifs on some US goods in response to the US putting tarrifs on some Canadian goods. That's not because we don't want free trade with the US, it's because free trade only works if it's reciprocal.

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Post by systematical »

Deimorz wrote: post #35
trident1000 wrote: post #7

Theres an incredible amount of foreign propaganda in western social media anyway. Twitter took down like a million CCP accounts the other month (they made an announcement about it) and thats just the ones they know about. This is a step thats at least in spirit probably makes sense but there are more larger issues. Reddit literally has an API to comment...you think all those policial default subs are real comments? N…

Every website effectively has an API to comment (or do any other action that's available through the site). You can just use HTTP requests.

That really depends. What if they require a login that uses a cookie based session? What about CSRF tokens? What if they put in a captcha cause your requests look funny. At some point it quickly goes from API to BOT.

Re: US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days

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Post by babesh »

This is obviously just a tactic by the Trump administration to distract people from the US economy tanking because of the mishandling of covid-19. If you haven't noticed, the US has much bigger problems. How about covid-19, the economy, lack of universal healthcare, weak education system, huge deficits, etc?

I am not blaming the mishandling of covid-19 solely on the Trump administration. I am just pointing out their Wizard of Oz distraction tactic and how the vast majority of people fall for it.

There is an economic competition between the US and China but this move is pure silly. WeChat isn’t doing anything in the US. It’s for Chinese people to talk to family in China.

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

badRNG wrote: post #82
TearsInTheRain wrote: post #67

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The government frequently bans foreign products that have national security implications.

The ban of an app like TikTok is absolutely unprecedented and is very atypical. This isn't par-for-the-course behavior by the US government, and the outcome of this ban will set a precedent for other apps the US bans on "national security" grounds.

Didn't they ban the use of Huawei in all telecommunication infrastructure a few months ago?

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Post by icelancer »

peacefulhat wrote: post #80
rtx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your views on IP theft by some companies there. Should that be considered first strike by China.

A good clue is how vague your question is. Should bytedance and tencent be banned because of "ip theft" by "some companies?" no

Bytedance and Tencent are partially owned by CCP. They are not innocent bystanders here.
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