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20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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It seems like a thin line between a debugging feature and a backdoor; "merely a debugging server that could be enabled and allowed you to inspect internal state during runtime" seems like a backdoor to me, doubly so if it's network-accessible. If Intel has, say, an undocumented way to trigger a debug mode that lets you read memory and bypass restrictions (ex. read kernel memory from user mode, or read SGX memory), is…

Was it a backdoor, or a hidden door, or .. a utility panel? The difference, in my opinion, is in the documentation and frequency of use. Is it overt? Does the customer really know its there, and what its for? Perfectly fine to have an access panel that gives you access to the buss .. if the pilot knows you're doing it. But if its some random entrance in the back of an alley, only 2 or 3 users in the universe know wha…

Imagine the reaction if the same thing was coming from China. Nobody would ask the question.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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A manufacturer wanted to upgrade one of their equipment lines to be more modern. The developers of the original product, both hardware and software, were no longer with the company. Since they just wanted to add some new features on top and present a better rack-based interface to the user, they decided to build a bigger box, put one of the old devices inside the box, then put a modern PC in there, and just link the…

This can't be real... are you serious? It sounds like one of those silly buisness parabels!

Even if this poster made it up, I'm certain it is also true at least once over, having remediated a near-identical problem from one of my employers' products at one point, and talked developers out of implementing it at least once at a different employer.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Of course it's not legal. This is exfiltrated intellectual property being shared without license.

Which country laws does apply? Is it really illegal to share this in the whole world? Im not so sure about that.

For example in Russia you are basically guaranteed to not be prosecuted for all kinds of cybercrime as long as you don't have Russia/Russian companies or Russian citizens.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Once I got a complaint from a security auditor that some code was using MD5. It wasn’t being used for any security purpose, just to check whether an autogenerated file had been manually edited. We decided it was easier to do what they wanted than argue with them, so we replaced it with CRC32C. That would have been faster than MD5, but nobody cares about saving a few milliseconds off reading a configuration file at st…

this is hilarious

I've seen similar rigidity from security audits. Stuff like "version 10.5.2 (released last week) of this software introduced a security bug that was fixed in 11.0 (released today), we need you to update from 10.5.1 (released last week + 1 day) to 11.0 now because our audit tool says so".

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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At a previous workplace we had a few places in the code which used the word backdoor. It was not an actual backdoor though, but merely a debugging server that could be enabled and allowed you to inspect internal state during runtime. At some point I removed the word backdoor, fearing it would get to a customer or during an audit someone would misunderstand. :|

Once I got a complaint from a security auditor that some code was using MD5. It wasn’t being used for any security purpose, just to check whether an autogenerated file had been manually edited. We decided it was easier to do what they wanted than argue with them, so we replaced it with CRC32C. That would have been faster than MD5, but nobody cares about saving a few milliseconds off reading a configuration file at st…

You don’t actually need to listen to auditors. People like you (who can’t be bothered to argue because it’s apparently too hard) is the reason that smartass is still selling their services.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Which country laws does apply? Is it really illegal to share this in the whole world? Im not so sure about that.

>Which country laws does apply? At the very least, Intel owns the copyright on this material, so sharing it is a copyright violation in any country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention or the TRIPS Agreement, which is effectively almost the entire planet. Then you have to add Trade Secret laws on top of that, which will have slightly narrower jurisdiction but still impact a lot of countries. There are very few…

But that only matters if given country also prosecute you effectively.

You probably find quite a bunch of countries where it's illegal but not prosecuted. Through I only know if Russia.

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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It was disabled by default, and could only be enabled using environment variables. Even when enabled, the whole thing ran in Docker and the socket was bound to loopback, so you could only connect to it from within the container. When the intention is a debugging server, making it exposed to the world is a mistake and a security vulnerability. At that point it is effectively a backdoor, but the difference between a hi…

That doesn't sound very safe.

What sounds unsafe about having a locally bound port inside a container that only binds with an env variable getting set?

Re: 20GB leak of Intel data: whole Git repositories, dev tools, backdoor mentions

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Intel is an American company; so wherever there is an extradition treaty with the USA and where there are also similar laws.

No country Will extradite their own citizens, though. If intel wants the person punished, they have to sue them in the country they live in.

Not entirely correct. A lot of Latin American countries do it all the time.
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