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What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by shripadk »

vijaybritto wrote: post #46
ramshanker wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may have been in the past. However ever since Modi Government came to power, industrials access to government has reduced drastically. Initial days of Modi, there used to be some fish trap to warn the officials.

"Industrial access to govt has reduced drastically"? Sorry, are you being sarcastic here? You read about how much Adani/Ambani are getting from this govt? Also the newly proposed rules for Environmental Impact? ( https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/wha... ) There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. This is not an exagge…

> There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. > This is not an exaggeration. You can read about what he did in his state when he was the chief minister.

Not proved in any court of law in India. On the contrary, the Supreme Court of India exonerated Modi of all charges in the 2002 Godhra riots (source: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/sit-finds-no-proof-ag...).

Hacker News has become a den of conspiracy theorists! It is getting ridiculous now! How low will you stoop to defame someone without proof?

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by baybal2 »

partingshots wrote: post #4

Does the fact that Google and Microsoft have Indian CEOs, Sundar / Satya respectively, give them an advantage when dealing with the Indian market? Especially when considering the fact this pronounced interest in Jio is largely just as a way to enter into negotiations with the owners of the Indian market/government.

> Does the fact that Google and Microsoft have Indian CEOs, Sundar / Satya respectively, give them an advantage when dealing with the Indian market?

If the way this dynamic works in India is as I was told, like in Eastern Europe, then no.

A lot of stay at home high class people often have scorn for "whiz kids" returning from abroad, bringing with them their baggage, or plainly they envy them.

They see men who made to the top in a much more level playing field as somebody much superior to themselves, and they don't like it.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by shripadk »

quantummkv wrote: post #59
lvbu wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No way you can say that with straight face. The regulatory capture of TRAI by JIO is very well known.

Any proofs, incidents, facts, figures to support your accusations? > The regulatory capture of TRAI by JIO is very well known It is very well known in the same vein as "Bush did 9/11", "George Soros is the boss of Illumnati", "Zuckerberg is a lizard human", "Freemasons rule the world", "Area 51 has aliens", etc. Essentially baseless urban myths.

> Any proofs, incidents, facts, figures to support your accusations?

They have none. Just arm-chair conspiracy theorists.

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Post by paulftw »

quantummkv wrote: post #78
paulftw wrote: post #68

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Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

You seem to be insinuating that Jio is the only telecom that was given special all-India spectrum. And that is false. All the spectrum was offloaded in public auctions were everyone participated and bought spectrum. Jio is not the only telecom in India with 4g spectrum or services. I personally use Airtel, and I get 4g everywhere I go without issues. >I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be…

I simply quoted the original article

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Post by sidm83 »

paulftw wrote: post #68
snowwrestler wrote: post #23

> Within a span of four years, Reliance pumped in over $33 billion from its other businesses to expand Jio’s market. > Jio was able to achieve these cheap rates by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G compared to older cellular standards, and because of the unparalleled size and resources of its parent company. [emphasis mine] > A sizable portio…

Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

TLDR version : Corruption can only get you so far but to become world class you need to be very good at what you do.

Longer version : Reliance/Ambani family have ties to pretty much the entire political spectrum in India and not just the current govt. This is one of the reasons why they have thrived since 70s when the group was started by Mukesh Ambani's (current CMD) father Dhirubhai. But this is not the only reason they have thrived, they started with polyester and captured the entire upstream upto crude refining. The Jamnagar refinery project was started in the 90s and was setup under the supervision of Mukesh. It is the largest refining complex in the world with some of the best refining margins in the world. Aramco almost bought a 20% stake in it recently, a deal which got suspended because of Covid.

As far as the pan India 4G license goes, it came at a time when others were still topping up their 2G and 3G licenses which were selling at a much higher premium due to the competition. It wasn't as if it was not on offer to others, it just did not make business sense for them at the time. And the license was auctioned around 2009-2010 while the current government only came to power in 2014. The conversion of pan India broadband license to 4G also happened before 2014. Heck, I remember seeing the Jio backbone OFC cables being laid in multiple cities before 2014. Corruption at the highest level (multiple cases involving multiple ministries, even reaching the Prime Minister) was one of the main reasons the previous UPA govt was routed in 2014.

Ref : https://web.archive.org/web/20130606064256/http://www.ground... https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/energy/oil-gas...).

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Post by mesaframe »

anupamchugh wrote: post #80
mesaframe wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" Source?

Source: https://in.reuters.com/article/india-election-ambani/indias-...

It totally contradicts the original comment.

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Post by sumedh »

quantummkv wrote: post #74
sumedh wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you show any, any incidences of them breaking the law or bribing anything other than "I know deep down in my heart of hearts that they do"? Not a corporate scenario but google how Ambani took care of his son's car accident.

The discussion and accusations are about his corporate practices. This does not affect or influence or impact his corporate practices or help with government control. And anyways a lot of people can take care of such issues in every country. Not all of them are capitalists or businessmen. So I doubt this scenario ties in anyway with suspect business practices.

> This does not affect or influence or impact his corporate practices or help with government control.

It does, it reflects your moral character, only someone who does not respect the rule of law would do what he did.

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Post by mkbkn »

shripadk wrote: post #81
vijaybritto wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Industrial access to govt has reduced drastically"? Sorry, are you being sarcastic here? You read about how much Adani/Ambani are getting from this govt? Also the newly proposed rules for Environmental Impact? ( https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/wha... ) There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. This is not an exagge…

> There are two things Modi is known for: 1. 2002 massacre of Muslims in Gujarat 2. Being friends with crony capitalists. > This is not an exaggeration. You can read about what he did in his state when he was the chief minister. Not proved in any court of law in India. On the contrary, the Supreme Court of India exonerated Modi of all charges in the 2002 Godhra riots (source: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/si…

So Salman Khan also didn't kill any poor in 2002? Some ghosts were driving his car that night?

Can't believe there are ahole Modi bhakts here on HN.

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Post by hesarenu »

iamshs wrote: post #7
ggm wrote: post #3

Because the largest market for growth these entities have outside of China, is India. The middle classes want the goodies, and these players want the income. Jio has the market.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

Jio got big since it offered services better then competition. Unless govt mandates everyone to use Jio they would have to stay competitive to be on top.

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Post by raxxorrax »

snowwrestler wrote: post #23

> Within a span of four years, Reliance pumped in over $33 billion from its other businesses to expand Jio’s market. > Jio was able to achieve these cheap rates by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G compared to older cellular standards, and because of the unparalleled size and resources of its parent company. [emphasis mine] > A sizable portio…

Seems it works for them just fine. Amazon had a similar strategies while being a lot smaller at the time. You need multiple revenue streams to really push for market dominance.
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