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What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by sumedh »

quantummkv wrote: post #58
iamshs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

Here comes the copy pasted argument without any fact or figures to support it that appears in every thread regarding Jio/Reliance/Ambani/India or a combination thereof. Frankly, it is getting a bit stale and feels a lot like the standard Redditesqe drive-by factless commenting behavior to gain cheap karma and dopamine hits of raging against the system. HN is supposed to be better. > They can essentially bulldoze gove…

> Can you show any, any incidences of them breaking the law or bribing anything other than "I know deep down in my heart of hearts that they do"?

Not a corporate scenario but google how Ambani took care of his son's car accident.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by blueblisters »

quantummkv wrote: post #58
iamshs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And more importantly choke-hold over the government bureaucracy. They can essentially bulldoze government over any rules and regulations, and bribe around freely. This is how Reliance got big.

Here comes the copy pasted argument without any fact or figures to support it that appears in every thread regarding Jio/Reliance/Ambani/India or a combination thereof. Frankly, it is getting a bit stale and feels a lot like the standard Redditesqe drive-by factless commenting behavior to gain cheap karma and dopamine hits of raging against the system. HN is supposed to be better. > They can essentially bulldoze gove…

People ignore the fact that even with outsized influence, Reliance will be subject to market and other economic conditions that could result in a negative return on their investments. Mukesh Ambani's brother is almost bankrupt, and not for lack of trying to avoid that.

Mukesh Ambani is taking on seemingly unpalatable risks because he has nothing better to do with his money. He has a large amount of shareholder support and a huge base of users he can market Jio's products to. These users and the overall market will ultimately decide whether they want to use these products or not.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by mesaframe »

paulftw wrote: post #68
snowwrestler wrote: post #23

> Within a span of four years, Reliance pumped in over $33 billion from its other businesses to expand Jio’s market. > Jio was able to achieve these cheap rates by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G compared to older cellular standards, and because of the unparalleled size and resources of its parent company. [emphasis mine] > A sizable portio…

Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

> Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government"

Source?

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by quantummkv »

sumedh wrote: post #71
quantummkv wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here comes the copy pasted argument without any fact or figures to support it that appears in every thread regarding Jio/Reliance/Ambani/India or a combination thereof. Frankly, it is getting a bit stale and feels a lot like the standard Redditesqe drive-by factless commenting behavior to gain cheap karma and dopamine hits of raging against the system. HN is supposed to be better. > They can essentially bulldoze gove…

> Can you show any, any incidences of them breaking the law or bribing anything other than "I know deep down in my heart of hearts that they do"? Not a corporate scenario but google how Ambani took care of his son's car accident.

The discussion and accusations are about his corporate practices. This does not affect or influence or impact his corporate practices or help with government control.

And anyways a lot of people can take care of such issues in every country. Not all of them are capitalists or businessmen. So I doubt this scenario ties in anyway with suspect business practices.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by quantummkv »

chvid wrote: post #69
nocoder wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right in your analysis. Jio is using a different accounting approach to show that they are profitable. One - Their depreciation model is non-standard vs. what is used by other telecom companies & Two - They are booking the sales of subsidized devices under their retail subsidy - Reliance retail. If there is someone who understand this better, I would like to get more insight. https://economictimes.indiatimes.…

So it is fraud?! Pretending you have a profitable business by hiding spiraling debt and other cost in a separate entity.

No. Jio (and Reliance) have actual paying users who are given genuine services that generate actual genuine revenue. And I doubt that the debt is going to spiral anywhere. Most of that debt was a one time deal to create a nationwide greenfield network.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by harsh3195 »

paulftw wrote: post #68
snowwrestler wrote: post #23

> Within a span of four years, Reliance pumped in over $33 billion from its other businesses to expand Jio’s market. > Jio was able to achieve these cheap rates by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G compared to older cellular standards, and because of the unparalleled size and resources of its parent company. [emphasis mine] > A sizable portio…

Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

There are multiple 4G licenses in India. Jio just has a majority in market share.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by zozbot234 »

quantummkv wrote: post #60
dannyobrien wrote: post #9

Is Jio still using and building on KaiOS, their fork of FirefoxOS, the javascript-based mobile OS? I'd love to read the story behind that and where it's going next. Are their contributions open source?

They are going to shift to Android for their 5g budget phones with Google doing some specific android work for them.

> with Google doing some specific android work for them.

Probably something involving VoLTE.

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by quantummkv »

paulftw wrote: post #68
snowwrestler wrote: post #23

> Within a span of four years, Reliance pumped in over $33 billion from its other businesses to expand Jio’s market. > Jio was able to achieve these cheap rates by acquiring the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G compared to older cellular standards, and because of the unparalleled size and resources of its parent company. [emphasis mine] > A sizable portio…

Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

You seem to be insinuating that Jio is the only telecom that was given special all-India spectrum. And that is false. All the spectrum was offloaded in public auctions were everyone participated and bought spectrum.

Jio is not the only telecom in India with 4g spectrum or services. I personally use Airtel, and I get 4g everywhere I go without issues.

>I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people.

The confusion you have seems to stem from the fact that Jio advertises itself as India's only full 4g network. What that means is that the greenfield network build by Jio only uses and supports 4g networks and not the older 2g and 3g networks. So in other words, the Jio network is 4g exclusive for it's customers.

The older telecom are older and still operate old 2g and 3g networks so they cannot market themselves that way

Re: What is Jio, and why are tech’s biggest players suddenly obsessed with it?

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Post by anupamchugh »

mesaframe wrote: post #73
paulftw wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but don't forget that "Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" and also Jio is "the only firm that won a pan-India 4G license, leveraging the superiority and cost-efficiency of 4G". I'm super curious what technical reasons mandate that there can be only one 4G license in a country with 1.4 billion people. And how that affects competition in a country that has Corruption Perception Index equal to…

> Ambani family have close ties to the ruling government" Source?

Source: https://in.reuters.com/article/india-election-ambani/indias-...
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